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morning

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everyone happy day two of St con um

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great to see so very many of you um

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there's a lot of you here and there's

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most definitely no way that any of you

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are jerks so I have nothing to teach you

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presentation done see you so

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um Hello thank you welcome thank you for

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coming uh

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I I I I mean that sincerely I I think

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there's just way too many of you here uh

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but please stay there's lots of seats I

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most definitely just wasn't expecting

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there to be so many people wanting to

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see this so thank you very much for

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coming my name is Chris Honda uh we are

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talking about making security happen

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with a without being a jerk at least

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that's what my submission was and up

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until last Friday when I had the genius

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idea of redoing my deck don't do that

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cannot Rec recommend against that

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strongly enough um we we're actually

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going to be talking about how to make

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security happen and be a jerk at the

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same time so here's an instruction

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manual should you should most you should

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most definitely Never

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follow um I'm also professional goober

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right I didn't I don't know if I

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mentioned that I work at wistic I do

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security stuff sometimes uh but mostly I

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just kind of exist there

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so before we start um we're going to say

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some things things will be said

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um these do not represent anyone's or

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anything's views other than mine right

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most of these are going to be jokes um

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the standard disclaimer of this is

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satire uh this is not advice by no means

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should you do anything that we're about

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to talk about for at least the first

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half of this

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presentation and if you do decide to

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leave if you take away anything before

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we actually get to the end um the tldr

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is please be a good

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person um there will be memes that's

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actually most of the content content

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because most of what I have to say is

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not that really revolutionary or that

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insightful more of an admonition to do

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good things so uh if you say past year

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you're really just going to get memes

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and that's about it so and you're

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welcome for the pixels not all of them

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are great quality but so you're welcome

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in advance so about me uh I'm still

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trying to figure out what I'm want to be

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when I grow up that'll probably never

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happen but you know what I got to keep

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trying uh studied a lot of different

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things try to do a lot of different

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things had a lot of jobs most of which I

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was incredibly bad at um and not to say

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that I'm good at my job now but I found

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a place that I like being so

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uh yeah that's that's about as

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interesting as it gets um my my greatest

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accomplishment so far as a security

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professional is that I am the reigning

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cahoot trivia Champion um so again about

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as interesting as it gets and and cool

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fact about me I don't know if it's

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really cool but um if we get to cool fun

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questions afterwards some of you know me

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as the um as a teriyaki

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chicken lover uh the cool fact is I grew

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up in the garlic capital of the world

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for a little while and that is actually

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one of the secrets to making good

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teriyaki chicken you're

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welcome all right so let's dive in um

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right this is the how to be a jerk guide

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um five let's let's call them five basic

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rules of how to be a jerk and uh thrive

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in a security profession right you want

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to make yourself look good at all costs

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doesn't matter what you got to do make

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sure that you are the one looking good

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uh you don't want to teach anyone

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anything for many many different reasons

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right you got to hoard that

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knowledge uh put out fires only if

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they're big right so uh one kind of

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revolving theme about this is that

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you're a hero you should only do things

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if it makes you look like a bigger hero

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and heroes only put up big five

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uh you're a pro you know best don't let

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anyone tell you otherwise and uh when

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mistakes happen CU they do inevitably

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happen uh it's not your fault remember

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mistakes are never your fault all right

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so let's dive in

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who thought that the hero in the office

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was anyone but

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Kevin right Kevin is the epitome of

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Kevin from the office Kevin Malone is

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the epitome of a hero right can't really

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say what he did but we're we're putting

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that out right he he he is a hero he

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said so himself so uh some things that

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you want to do to make sure that you are

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that that you look the that you look the

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part of the heroes anytime there's

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credit to be had you take it right your

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boss did something great it was actually

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you cooworker in a totally different

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team did something great again totally

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you um if there's ever any if there's

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ever a downturn mistakes are made right

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mistakes happen just not for you um you

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got to shove that off to someone else uh

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the way I like to put it is there's

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always someone else you can throw under

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the bus um actually that's my go-to

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right someone made a mistake you made a

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mistake no one needs to

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know right find the bus throw someone

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else under it if you have an intern

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great they're they're great for doing

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that right

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Corey see did it to Cory all the time

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love you

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dude um

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right so take all the credit none of the

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blame you are never to blame mistakes

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are never your fault nor should you have

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to clean them up nor should you have to

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clean up after them remember that you're

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a hero that's that's a better way to put

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this instead of thinking instead of

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saying you need to make yourself look

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good at any cost remember you're the

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hero uh rule number two don't teach

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anyone anything as dangerous move you

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know why because you worked hard for

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your knowledge right Homer is smart he's

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spelling smart definitely his own way

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and uh there's there's a lot of benefit

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to that he's he's he's

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a what's the word he's revolutionizing

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how we spell things um follow Homer's

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example same thing with Joey right um I

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wouldn't be a Chris Honda talk if we

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didn't talk about food at least a little

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bit don't share your

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knowledge Joey doesn't share food you

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don't share knowledge so you learn all

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these things you worked really hard to

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be good at what you do and it would be a

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disservice to you be service to your

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team to your customers uh to all those

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around you to just give that knowledge

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away freely so you know what someone's

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asking for how you would do something

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asking how you learned n figure it

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out right Google's your friend that's

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how we all learned right Google

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University instead of making that path a

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little easier for people to actually get

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to get good things out of just say hey

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you can figure it out I believe you I

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believe in you uh and as we all know

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right the more that you hold on for

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yourself the more that you pack into

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that big brain of yours the more

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valuable you're going to be the better

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you're going to be at the at your job

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the better you're going to the better

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retention chance you're going to have

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right your boss can't get rid of you if

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you know all the stuff why share why

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make anyone's life better when you can

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keep it all for yourself all right uh Mr

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Ron Swanson has that guidance right if

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anyone asks you for something ask for a

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favor

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asks shut them down just say no lower

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that enthusiasm people are too

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enthusiastic about doing good things

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these days shut that

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down rule number three all right we only

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put out big fires because rule number

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was oh come on guys

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rule there we go yeah you are a hero and

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heroes only put out big fires right if

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it's a small fire you can wait that's a

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fun game I like to play right you wait

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until the problem makes itself bigger or

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if you're feeling creative make it

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bigger yourself right um these poor

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firef Fighters had a uh had a fun

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exercise in that someone else tries to

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put out the fire while it's still small

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again tune that nonsense out we don't do

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that here right you look good you look

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good because you put out big fires let

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that fire get

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big um I nothing nothing really to say

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from here right enjoy the memes enjoy

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the memes you don't have time to put out

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fires you don't have time to put out

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other people's fires so if it's someone

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else's problem let them figure out a way

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to deal with it if it is your problem or

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someone makes your problem wait till it

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gets big so again you're the

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hero um you are the pro right um also if

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you couldn't tell at this point in

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making the slides uh my daughter was

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watching a specific movie and I thought

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this was a great moment so I'm sharing

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it all with you as well you're welcome

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so everything is about you right you're

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the pro your knowledge your security

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program your risk program you're the

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compliance person right you are the

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go-to person um make it all about about

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you right that's how you became a hero

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in the first place is you took the time

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to develop the skills develop the

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knowledge everything therefore in your

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program should re revolve around the way

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that you think it should be done if

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someone says otherwise why don't they

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just do it themselves why are they

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asking you to do it right so number four

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um if if if if to reiterate if you

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didn't have an answer why would someone

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come in and do that make sure that you

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give them that attitude too right like

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hey look this is my thing this is my

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deal I'm over this program I got this

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covered right one and doubt this is my

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favorite again Cory can probably attest

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to this uh one in doubt call someone

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names scream at them a little bit you

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know really really healthy Outlet um uh

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HR thanks you for that as well so

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um right fry is my favorite example for

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this right call call those names we're

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being creative in that in that way

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again right um for those of you don't

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don't have kids uh this is Bluey a a

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childhood favorite for pretty much

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everyone that is under the age of eight

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right now so um when I was working on

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this slide blue was on in my house um

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mistakes aren't your fault again we've

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said this before but you can't hit on

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that enough right you can't do wrong

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because you're just that good at your

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job it is unacceptable for mistakes to

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happen under your watch and it's even

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worse for people to assume that mistakes

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happen because of you right no Reg

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threats when other people mess up you

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got to make sure that everyone knows

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that it was their fault you couldn't

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have possibly made that mistake make

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sure that people know that it displeases

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you when mistakes are made and it costs

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you time Focus effort in other areas

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right so kick that trash can punch the

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drywall don't do that again HR

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violations Andy's a Andy is a terrible

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example please don't do that

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um right so please please please please

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my friends don't do any of these things

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um right it's I I I I mentioned that

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this is kind of a guide for things that

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we'd never ever want to do so want to

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harp on that again before we get into

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the actual um how not to be a jerk part

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so how do we make security happen

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without being a jerk um I I wish I had a

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simple answer um right what what's

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what's our go-to in this industry when

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someone asks a question right usually

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it's it depends right uh this the CL

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that I could get to an answer that

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wasn't as infuriating as that

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is just don't be a jerk right um but I I

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feel like getting into that topic in

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seriousness is a bit philosophical for

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what we have time for or really is more

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of the Spirit of St con right um this

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this is kind of more of an Afterparty

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discussion from uh so I I I I couldn't

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tell you but what I have learned and

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what I hope to share with you and

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encourage you to do as you

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as you go back to work I know a lot of

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you are working I know I'm working

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during this conference as well that

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things that you take back as As Leaders

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as as co-workers as as as friends um we

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spend a lot of time at work I'd like to

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think that most that most of us are

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friends with the people that we work

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with um that these are some things that

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you want to keep in mind um we win we

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lose as a team right there's the there

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are such things as rock stars but a

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rockar a singular person is not a team

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uh you want to be you do want to be

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generous with things that you've learned

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with your experience with your

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perspective and and and your time and

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your effort your

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energy uh you want to be an ounce of

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prevention right there's that phrase of

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it's it's better to have an ounce of

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prevention than it is to buy a pound of

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cure be the ounce of pre that ounce of

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pre

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prevention

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uh it it don't wait for the fires to get

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big yell fighting fires is hard and it's

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exhausting so get get get the fires

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where they're small you want to stay

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humble

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stay learning keep learning there's

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always something to learn different

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something new a different way to do

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something a better way to do something

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and keeping that in the back of your

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mind is going to keep you in the right

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mindset the right um the right keep you

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in the right perspective to keep doing

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good things and you want to hold

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yourself accountable this can mean a lot

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of different things to a lot of people

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everyone's going to have a little bit

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different interpretations so what I want

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to say for this is keeping it balanced

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right I know um a lot of people are

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going to have similar perspective to

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mine where I like to take on the burden

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of this is my fault I'm an over

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apologizer and I know a lot of you

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probably are too what we do want to

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avoid is the other side right that the

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jokes about nothing's ever your fault

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that is the perspective that we want to

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avoid

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so um looking back to our friends in

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parks and rck right Andy is a reasonably

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decent athlete I wouldn't know what

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that's like I've never been a good

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athlete um except for a good eater uh

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that's not unfortunately a sport though

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so uh Ben is trying he's trying his best

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Tom has given I don't know if it's

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possible but he gives probably negative

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effort right as as a team they're not

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going to succeed and it's not any one

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person's fault it's the team right so

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this is something that we want to keep

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in perspective we win we lose as a team

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no matter how awesome one or most of the

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people on your team are you got to lift

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each other up you got to support each

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other and make sure that everyone has

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the resources to be successful be

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engaged be focused on on the mission be

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focused on the goals um right mentioned

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rock stars I think you're all rock stars

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as a disclaimer right there's nothing

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wrong with being a rockstar I think

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where the problems start coming in is

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where we think we're a rockstar

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therefore we're immune to criticism

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we're immune to mistakes we're immune to

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having to work with other people and

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change the way that we look at the world

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look at our job look at problems and

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solve those um I I I'm sure many of you

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have experienced it when things go right

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it's just so much better when you can

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say we did this I did this just sounds

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and feels so Hollow right so we did this

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those winds are so much better when you

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have people to share it with right even

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if right the um yesterday there was a

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talk where um we where the context was

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small security teams right how actually

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I'm curious how many of you are the only

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security person in your organization go

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ahead and raise your

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hands I think there's a few of you my

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vision is beyond terrible and I got

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lights in my eyes but I see a few hands

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um so obviously they went to more

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interesting talks and I I I I encourage

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you to all to do that if if if I'm not

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if I'm not doing it for you I you won't

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hurt my feelings and I appreciate you

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being here um but right the the small

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teams it's you feel good when you do the

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things because you did have to do those

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a lot of those tasks by yourself

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realizing though that your role as the

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singular security person helped to

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support an organization and that you

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didn't that you probably didn't do those

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things in complete isolation right

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whether it's supporting um customer

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Trust sales enablement right um

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developing marketing collateral working

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with the engineering team right we don't

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do our stuff in isolation security is as

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has been said many times over the course

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of this conference and many conferences

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um over the years is that security is a

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super

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interdisciplinary area of work right we

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don't do things in a vacuum we don't do

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things in a bubble so share those wounds

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where you can right we did this take

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pride in that satisfaction of you can

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work with other people and that people

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have enjoyed working with you and

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getting cool stuff done all right when

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mistakes are made when when you when you

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can't take that win and you get a lose

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bless you um when when you have to take

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a loss it happens right that is part of

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life and instead of moping we're having

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this discussion with my daughter which

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is why I'm bringing it up and it's fresh

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in my mind right when things don't go

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your way when when when there's no

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better way to put it when things don't

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go your way you know what you learn from

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it you can pout feel bad for a second

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right there's nothing wrong with doing

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that we're human that is a human emotion

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and you should take the time to ingest

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that process that and accept that you

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know what this this has happened we

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can't go back and fix that but then you

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learn from it you lift each other up

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that's an opportunity to grow closer as

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people right I I like to say and lots of

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other people like to say that security

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is a business of people and and I I

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think that that's one of the best

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aspects of that when we do have an

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incident when we do get breach knock on

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wood I'm hoping none of that happens for

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any of you anytime soon um it it happens

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but that's a good opportunity for us to

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lift each other up to support each other

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to share knowledge to grow and develop

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from that and you definitely don't go to

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the bad place Michael's wrong here be

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generous with your knowledge right the

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more you know um I know some I know a

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lot of you probably grew up with this if

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you didn't sorry y'all y'all missed out

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the more you know was a was was a great

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after after TV after school TV special

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part the English y'all that the words

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are not coming today um I'm going to

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also try and dissuade a lot of you from

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getting into development if I haven't

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already done that um so this is

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definitely not code this is my very poor

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attempt at bringing codel like text into

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humor I know it's bad y'all um bear with

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me though so be be generous with your

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knowledge right you have knowledge

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people around you want to learn right

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there's lots of folks here that aren't

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in the industry that want to be there's

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lots of people that are in a role that

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maybe they're not satisfied with or

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they're just not quite at their dream

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job and they want to be there's a really

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good chance that you have a good

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perspective on that share it that's

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going to make the other person feel so

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good and you're going to feel good in

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turn when you know what like for example

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I I I got a few friends that are looking

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to get into instant response I mean

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bless you for wanting to do that um I

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think it I think it takes a special

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person to want to do that

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but in a good way I I think that if you

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have had that kind of experience and you

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share your perspective you share your

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experience and then they end up being a

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rock star in in that part of the

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industry I think you had a hand in that

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again not that you shouldn't necessarily

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pat yourself on the back but you helped

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make someone's you helped someone on the

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career journey and I think that that

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feels really good finding people more

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enabled more knowledgeable more skillful

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and able to provide for themselves their

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families do good in the world right

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we're we're all about doing good for

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people doing good for the world uh it

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sets the industry up for Success right

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if you keep everything to yourself what

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Good's going to come from that right you

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you are one person and you're an awesome

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person and you can do a lot of good

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instead of keeping that all to yourself

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share that love share that knowledge

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share that passion that excitement share

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the skills and that's going to make

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things a lot better for everyone because

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you just help replicate a key part of

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yourself to improve things to make the

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world a better place and I think maybe

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the key one of the keys of this of my

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entire very poorly packaged and poorly

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delivered uh presentation is that you

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want to show this shows gratitude to the

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people that came before you and helped

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you on your journey I can't think of

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anything more ennobling than saying

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thank you for showing me what I could

543
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have done showing me that there was more

544
00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,159
to this industry more to this life more

545
00:20:07,159 --> 00:20:08,799
than being being a work and career

546
00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,080
professional right I didn't know that

547
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,679
this was possible um it I I I'll promise

548
00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,080
you right now that the people that you

549
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,360
say thank you to for showing you your

550
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,960
next steps for helping you on the way

551
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,320
being there to support you when you're

552
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,320
when you were

553
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,799
struggling just feels amazing and I hope

554
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:26,880
that you also remember this that when as

555
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,200
you share your knowledge that one day

556
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,559
when people do the same thing for you

557
00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,440
that you feel that same way I know you

558
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,000
will um and my favorite Jason Jason is

559
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,799
my I don't know if he still is but was

560
00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:40,320
my avatar on slack for a long time um

561
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,799
you this puts the squiggles on your

562
00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:43,679
brain right people people help you

563
00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:45,760
people help on your way and and and they

564
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,200
and they help put those those squiggles

565
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,960
in your brain that's

566
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,600
good share those squiggles share those

567
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,880
brain squiggles be an ounce of

568
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,640
prevention right um again terrible

569
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,760
metaphor but I I think considering we

570
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,440
started uh with the satirical please let

571
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,600
the fires get bigger right let's do the

572
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,559
opposite right instead of waiting until

573
00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:07,360
things get really big really bag really

574
00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,279
out of hand put put out the problems

575
00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:12,279
early right takes five minutes or less

576
00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:13,799
handle it now before it has to take a

577
00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:17,760
whole team a half a day right

578
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,120
um it's it's just not fun putting out

579
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:21,760
fires it's not fun going through

580
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,159
emergency drills over and over and over

581
00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:26,360
again it's exhausting it grats on you so

582
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,600
you know what and and some of you like

583
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,279
that no judgment I I think that there's

584
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:32,159
a lot of excitement that goes with that

585
00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:34,720
but and also when you have other things

586
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,360
to do I think it's better to minimize

587
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,159
those emergencies and

588
00:21:41,159 --> 00:21:43,400
instead get the problem other small nip

589
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,159
it in the bud I guess is another phrase

590
00:21:45,159 --> 00:21:47,799
that you could put to it and then and

591
00:21:47,799 --> 00:21:49,080
then you can spend more time doing the

592
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,039
fun cool building stuff right working on

593
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:52,640
the relationships working on new

594
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,960
architecture putting together new

595
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,760
program right those aren't fires and

596
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,440
those are fun that's what we that's what

597
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,760
a lot of the other

598
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,760
better talks happening here at s con are

599
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,279
all about is here's how you can do a

600
00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,039
cool new thing right let's focus on

601
00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,159
minimizing the time that we have to

602
00:22:05,159 --> 00:22:07,279
spend an emergency in recovery mode and

603
00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:09,960
get back to doing the cool stuff and

604
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,400
zoidberg's having a wonderful time I

605
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,799
hope you all are too St con is super

606
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:18,400
fun um Michael understands nothing um

607
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,039
again if we're taking it from a a bit of

608
00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:22,039
a sarcastic standpoint right or a less

609
00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:24,320
sarcastic standpoint you don't have to

610
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,679
feel like you understand nothing I know

611
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:29,400
impostor syndrome is a big thing if if

612
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,559
if you haven't felt it I I I envy you

613
00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:33,159
first of all I'm standing up here and

614
00:22:33,159 --> 00:22:35,000
talking to you about stuff that I know

615
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,480
most of you guys just know way better

616
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,600
about so imposter syndrome happens you

617
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,559
don't have to feel stuck in there so

618
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:46,320
instead of finding that one extreme

619
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,880
where hey look I just have nothing to

620
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,000
learn because I I know how I'm doing

621
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,679
things and it's worked I'm just going to

622
00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:54,480
keep doing it um but also the other end

623
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,960
of spectrum where I don't know how to do

624
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,039
any of this I'm a fraud I'm someone's is

625
00:22:58,039 --> 00:22:59,039
going to find me out and then I'm going

626
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,279
to be out of out of a job that there's a

627
00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:03,120
great middle to be you know what realize

628
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,919
that you have something unique to

629
00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:07,960
deliver something to bring to the table

630
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,159
there's always something from your

631
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,880
experience as a human as H in your other

632
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,720
jobs just being a person right being

633
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,720
alive you have to learn things that will

634
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,840
make you good at your job you just have

635
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320
to find a way to do that and there's

636
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,760
always ways to improve upon that right

637
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,880
just cuz you found a solution doesn't

638
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,360
mean it's the solution it's not

639
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,159
inherently the best solution and be

640
00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:30,679
proud in the effort and the time that

641
00:23:30,679 --> 00:23:33,600
you took to learn what what you've done

642
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,640
to to learn what you do right it's

643
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,039
you've invested a lot of time and effort

644
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,799
to make the world a better place in this

645
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:41,400
very specific way so I'd encourage you

646
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,600
to keep that mindset of you can learn

647
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,080
but also be happy with the place that

648
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,080
you're at and lastly um right you can't

649
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,480
hear an image I I I hear this I hope you

650
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,799
all do too this is one of the best

651
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,320
scenes um keep yourself accountable a

652
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,520
little bit of Ben humor right when we're

653
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,000
talking about accountability again we're

654
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,480
looking for balance not the jerkish I

655
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,600
can do no wrong cuz no one likes working

656
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760
with those kinds of people no one feels

657
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,600
good I'd imagine no one feels good being

658
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,279
that kind of person but also you don't

659
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:13,080
want to go with the route of everything

660
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,279
is my fault right there's a balance and

661
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,559
it doesn't have to be the blame game it

662
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:17,840
doesn't have to be finger pointing it's

663
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,760
hey look you know what things happened

664
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,760
this is my role and things not happening

665
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,399
as great as I liked it as I have liked

666
00:24:25,399 --> 00:24:27,480
it to have been and then you learn you

667
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,679
grow from that and you share the

668
00:24:28,679 --> 00:24:31,880
learnings right so you can you can

669
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,600
always learn you can always do better

670
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,960
right echoing our last concept right and

671
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480
fight the urge to blow stuff up um right

672
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,720
you're going to have days sometimes if

673
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,200
you're having a bad day take a breath

674
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,919
drink some water please drink some water

675
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:46,840
stay hydrated stay healthy um and and

676
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,399
then we get back to it take the time

677
00:24:48,399 --> 00:24:50,080
that you need and then then we get back

678
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,559
to it all right in summary um I said

679
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:55,600
none of these words at any point but if

680
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,080
I had to summarize this uh to and

681
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,559
explain it to a child uh this is kind of

682
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,039
how I would hit it and again this is

683
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,880
having a conversation with about certain

684
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760
things with with my own kiddo um be kind

685
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,159
to people treat people the way that you

686
00:25:09,159 --> 00:25:11,600
want to be treated but something that I

687
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,720
think that you should remember is you

688
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,080
should treat yourself the way that you

689
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,960
would hope other people would treat you

690
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,679
in a positive way right I think

691
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,159
sometimes we're extra hard on ourselves

692
00:25:19,159 --> 00:25:20,640
we're own toughest critic right we hear

693
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,440
that a lot and I think you should be

694
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,520
kind to

695
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,159
yourself

696
00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:28,520
um I wouldn't use these terms these

697
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,880
words with with with my kid but never

698
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,440
too early to start learning those multi-

699
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,919
slabic words right be proactive take

700
00:25:34,919 --> 00:25:36,320
those steps Don't Wait For Life to

701
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,760
happen to you figure out what you want

702
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,679
to make happen and go make it happen the

703
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:41,520
best you can right we learn we react

704
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,919
when we have to but otherwise let's it's

705
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,080
good to put in the proactive effort to

706
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,520
make things happen the way that we want

707
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,919
it to be um say please and thank you

708
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:51,039
it's it's always good to have good

709
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,080
manners is another way that I put this

710
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,440
right it I I I've I've come into

711
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,840
scenarios where people said oh that's

712
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,360
the first time all day someone said

713
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,120
Thank you to me and that is painful to

714
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,399
me I'm not saying that we have to say

715
00:26:02,399 --> 00:26:04,080
please and thank you after every

716
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,760
sentence I know I have that problem

717
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,080
sometimes but it it it's it's a really

718
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,039
small thing um so thank you everyone for

719
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,760
coming and and for for what you do to

720
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,640
make this world a better place do good

721
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,360
things because it's good um we we don't

722
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:20,679
want to do good things because we think

723
00:26:20,679 --> 00:26:21,799
we're going to get something good out of

724
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,720
it that happens right I think karma is a

725
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,399
real thing so you do good things with

726
00:26:25,399 --> 00:26:28,200
the expectation that

727
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,880
nothing is specifically going to come

728
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,720
from that just do the good things and

729
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,360
good will end up finding its way back

730
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,080
into your life and it's F to make

731
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,080
mistakes right um Joe GR in yesterday's

732
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,360
uh in yesterday's Kino was talking about

733
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,880
how this is hacker culture right hacker

734
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760
has taken on a an increasingly negative

735
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,480
connotation over the years right and in

736
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,600
in the spirit of the opposite of of of

737
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,480
what Joe is saying it it's fine to make

738
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,240
mistakes right keep that part of the

739
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,840
hacker culture alive where you know what

740
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,399
we we're going to learn we're going to

741
00:26:58,399 --> 00:27:00,039
learn by not doing things right the

742
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,279
first time a lot of the time and then we

743
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,000
pass that on later right Bob Ross is one

744
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,200
of the best examples from that there is

745
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,640
no such there's no real thing no such

746
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,159
thing as a true mistake right it's just

747
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:12,520
a happy accident that you happen to

748
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,159
learn from so before we get to questions

749
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:18,039
thank you all thank you for coming thank

750
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,200
you for what you do thank you for your

751
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,279
expertise for your kindness and for just

752
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:24,880
being awesome so thanks for making

753
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,520
security happen without being a

754
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,420
jerk

755
00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:32,880
[Applause]

756
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,760
all

757
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,640
right thanks everyone um so I know

758
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,240
someone's going to ask this why so many

759
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,640
gifts gifs I'm not going into the

760
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,399
pronunciation no pleas please please get

761
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:44,480
up and leave if if you want this is I I

762
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,480
do want to have the time but um I know

763
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,279
the memes are bad just wanted to add

764
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:50,880
value where I could this is probably the

765
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,679
best way that I could do it if you want

766
00:27:52,679 --> 00:27:55,480
a copy of oh not a copy of the slides

767
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,600
I'll get the copy of the slides on my

768
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,240
LinkedIn which is linked to this QR code

769
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,640
any

770
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,519
questions if you're raising your hand I

771
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:03,720
can't see it just shout it out but if

772
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,679
not thank you all have a good

773
00:28:09,159 --> 00:28:12,159
day