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well as usual the first slide is who am

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i so my name is jerome

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jorun is the dutch pronunciation

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i listen to everything including to the

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term hey that works too in most cases

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although it doesn't distinguish between

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me and the guy next to me um

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i even have a email address at the new

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reports foundation uh so jerome

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deweyportsman.com will work if you have

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any additional questions afterwards and

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you we don't talk to each other um

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i have the position there of the

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operational marketing manager

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uh which means that i report to one of

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the members of the board of directors of

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the ub ports foundation who has

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marketing in his uh his staff

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description

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and i tried to do stuff on the marketing

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demand market department

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uh i've been doing that since january

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21st uh well except for two weeks when

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there was a slight thing with urgent

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software for the ministry of healthcare

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in the netherlands involving some

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pandemic but other than that i've been

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doing this

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i'm also the author of i don't know 12

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plus books on open source

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which i will not go into today because

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lack of time otherwise i would

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i'm also the project leader of the libra

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plan project which is an open source

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web-based

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program management application that i

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really love to work on

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and um

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i even have repositories on on gitlab

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github and

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some of them even got a few stars

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so yeah yeah to me um but uh i bow in

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respect to a lot of hackers in uh in

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this um

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uh on this ground because um

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i'm i'm well most of the hackers have

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this thing called

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what's the word for it imposter syndrome

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well so do i

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uh so i think i know nothing and still

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i've been doing open source for 20 years

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and i'm pretty happy yay me um okay

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phone world of today well

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uh the user is the product right you buy

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a phone either ios or android those are

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the two flavors mainstream flavors

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and the user is the product every piece

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of data is collected even weather apps

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do nothing more than sending home your

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gps location constantly and those that

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data is being sold

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and you're thinking oh this is an

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innocent weather app well it's nothing

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innocent about it you're being tracked

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and you're doing it voluntarily in a way

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what's up sends data continuously we

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don't know what data because it's of

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course an ssl encryption of tls these

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um so we don't know what data set but it

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sends continuously even if you don't

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talk or the

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t type or whatever to anybody

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data is sold to companies for targeting

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ads and and market ads is these days

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everybody's in the market of selling ads

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in one way try to avoid ads for once try

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to avoid for a minute not seeing a brand

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just look around right this second and

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you'll see brand names everywhere and

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we're so used to it but subliminal they

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work you always see there was this guy

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who made a habit of putting posted cards

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on every brand name in his house

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well he wouldn't see brand names but it

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was a very yellow interior

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other alternatives yes there are and i'm

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here to talk about one of them

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well there's a ubuntu touch

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what does it look like well there is a

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it's on youtube and i invite all of you

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do i have connection here this is

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spontaneous and a demo so it probably

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let's see if i click on this

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see there we go doesn't work

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i didn't make a link out of it

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silly me

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anyway

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what what i'll put it does we don't

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ubuntu touch project governed by the ub

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ports foundation that's based in berlin

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stricted privacy laws there is

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founding of the ubers foundation was

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sponsored by people but

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you know how there is this book the most

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people are good well

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this one was too

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although he's the sponsor he also made

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sure that in the bylaws of the

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foundation it's impossible

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sponsors to become member of the board

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and will probably listen to you but you

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don't have any formal say in stuff so

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um currently we have an app store that

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you will find 81 devices that will

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when i say 81 are supported they are

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are uh of course the top choice

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and more on how that works behind the

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screen a little later small history 2011

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canonical stars ubuntu touch

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ubuntu nice os works a nice desktop see

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what they will do

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and in 2015 mary's gripscart a norwegian

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guy says okay let's let's also do a

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hacker community next to it so we

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economical only supported two or three

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there was a secure a community of

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hackers was was coming to life

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um in 2017 canonical abandons uh both

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had a thriving product thriving

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community but had to focus on other

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projects and decided to cancel this one

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which was of course very sad

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and that's an application for linux

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windows and mac you install the uv ports

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installer you connect with a usb your

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phone and it will tell you if it can

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install ubuntu touch on it and if you

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say yeah do that it will do that for you

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now if for any chance there is something

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going wrong no worries we have a

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telegram help desk where there are nice

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it does happen sometimes but it doesn't

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and the community starts the helium

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project as well in 2017 and the helium

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the hell is the hardware extraction

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layer and that's where the name is a

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derivative from

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make a separation between the hardware

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the 2019 that's when the ub ports

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well that's the history so far in a

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ecosystem is keeps on growing we we

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code in c plus you can do all that and

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simply select what program you want to

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infrastructure and and create a sort of

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last year and today still

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story behind that is that the current

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now 1604 may sound like really old to

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the average desktop user but in embedded

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after 16 comes 20 and we're still

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working on the migration to 20 which

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uh who has done investment in the

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community if he's eligible for um

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right to vote you get an email you vote

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on the candidates and those become the

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new

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board of directors

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what are we doing this year well clearly

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a continuation 2004 is where currently

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lots of efforts are put into because we

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really want to make that transition to

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2004

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and it's it's a biggie

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are challenges there if there are people

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here who love to participate

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please do

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[Music]

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we still do the release of the on the

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air updates for 1604

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and the last one was uh 28th of june

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so that's pretty recent

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uh so any phone that gets on the air

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updates

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is pretty much up to date on on on the

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current software that's uh that works

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pretty well

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uh we're currently getting marketing

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streamlined so we have a new board of

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directors there is

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new plans for marketing campaigns uh

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which also means

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um how do you

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get out the message to the world that we

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exist

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and

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when are we a valid alternative

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um

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if you go to any shop a phone shop in

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the netherlands you won't get a ubuntu

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touch phone if you go to a phone one

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phone shop in hamburg you can get an

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ubuntu touch phone we have one one shop

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already up two actually because they're

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sisters of each other so two shops where

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you can get over the phone uh you can go

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to the web and you can order phones with

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ubuntu touch pre-installed that's

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already uh

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there

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we did a few awareness campaigns

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i got interviewed in the netherlands by

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the financial docublot

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in a two-page interview about this i've

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been on bnr

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business news radio in the netherlands

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with a podcast in the technology about

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ubport so

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we're trying to get that message out i'm

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standing here now so there's also again

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a message that will be recorded so we

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can

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use the link very very often i hope

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so

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it's constantly looking at okay where do

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we find our audience and how can we

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reach that audience to tell them about

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look here's a phone that values your

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privacy as much as you do

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we are not in the business of data data

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doesn't interest us other than that your

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navigation should work you know that

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data yeah but not what you're doing with

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the phone is your business and not ours

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it's an open source

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operating system

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we are still in the business of

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strengthening cooperation with more

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hardware partners

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and

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there are several

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phone manufacturers who

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um

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uh

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like to work with us well i hope they

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like to work with that but we like to

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work with them definitely

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on getting ubuntu touch working on their

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hardware so they can sell their phones

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they can get the message out and we try

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to make sure that the the software works

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as best as possible

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and basically keep our users as happy as

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possible

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that the thing just works you know

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like and that was the title of the talk

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making sure we have a phone that does

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what you expect and nothing more

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um

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now what's hot on our endless backlog

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well there is a first book about app

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development and

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um

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even if the cover on on the screen uh

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you can now if you like order this on

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lulu.com publishing on demand you always

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have the latest content

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in the book

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we did a workshop yesterday with this

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training book everybody who attended the

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training got a piece of gutter

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got one of those books

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and um

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people can now

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well

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follow along who does the training how

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you can

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develop apps and we are already

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discussing what to do in a second book

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so

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it's very likely that i will become

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uh in existence a second book on um

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programming for ubuntu touch and that

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one goes more into sensor stuff because

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the gui and how an application works

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we've already covered that in in part

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one

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we have volte who here has ever heard of

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volte before

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okay maybe i should change that who

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hasn't heard of faulty before

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yeah okay so maybe i should explain to

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you because the other ones already know

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it right

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so volte stands for voice over lte and

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lte is an extension if i'm correctly of

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g4 gsm generation 4

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which means you get sort of a data voice

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over ip over a wireless connection

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and it's clearly the future of

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phone calls

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so the

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the 2g and 3g second generation third

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generation gsm

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networks are already being switched off

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so at some point your phone needs to

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support volte otherwise you can't make a

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phone call

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which would be bad for phone

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well come think of it who uses his phone

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for phone calls these days right

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oh you do okay yeah one of the few

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probably um

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and for wifi then as a self-explanatory

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right you simply do voice over wi-fi

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which in a way is easier because you

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don't have to connect to a modem with

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certain encryption standards and

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well

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access the the modem part of the

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hardware

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that has his own protocol which is not

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really open and well there are

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challenges there

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we are working on video calls for native

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apps we're working on cell broadcast

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esim

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that's of course also a new development

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that you don't get a sim card but you

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get a sort of

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a key that is your authorization to

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access the wireless network

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uh bluetooth

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well we have bluetooth but they're

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still

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showing up new devices with new

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extensions on bluetooth that we need to

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support in ubuntu touch as well

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power management is of course always

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crucial because you want your phone to

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last as long as possible and

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we're developing policies for apps in

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the background because currently it is a

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linux kernel

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on top of that we have android we have

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helium hardware abstraction layer we

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have ubuntu touch as the gui and app

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environment

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and

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it doesn't

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run apps in the background that's

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by design and we're thinking about well

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maybe we should

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um

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device backup and recovery also

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something that's well nice to have at

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least

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um now how do we do some of those stuffs

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well volte for instance we work uh with

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sysmocom

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as anybody of you know who has not heard

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of sysmoncom before

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yeah a lot of you right okay who has not

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heard of osmocom before

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okay so

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osmocom is an open source interface

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hence the os mocom

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with which you can set up your own gsm

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network

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so you take a bunch of raspberry pi's

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you take a certain piece of hardware

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which is

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um not really very cheap but then you

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can create your own gsm network

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you put an antenna in the air and

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suddenly you have gsm mch

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you can't do that in a lens because of

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licenses but

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other than that is technically possible

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well osmocom is an open source project

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run by harold welter also from berlin

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i believe anyway for german i think he's

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in berlin but i'm not exactly sure

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and he also has

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a commercial company sysmocom where they

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work on

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protocols wireless protocols on phones

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in the broadest sense of the of the word

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so they work on well ios i guess android

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definitely and they also work from us on

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developing volt for um

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ubuntu touch and that's for instance

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sponsored development so somebody's

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picking up that bill

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knowledge management

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well like i said recently released

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application development training the

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training is by the way cc license so

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everybody can use it it's you don't have

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to buy the book it's also on the web

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uh urls will probably follow in this

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slide deck

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we have a forum with 1.2 million

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hits every month so there's a lot of

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discussion going on a lot of development

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a lot of people

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talking about how to get things done how

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to build stuff

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like i said it's it's a big community

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it's it's globally and that's

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it's amazing sometimes i get emails from

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people all over the world of course

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uh with with questions that when they

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are related to marketing i'll get them

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so

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thankfully those are not hundreds

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because i couldn't cope but

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yeah there's a lot of action going on

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we have some general telegram channels

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like uv ports

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general

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telegram that works everywhere we have a

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welcome and install so if you

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would install

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ubuntu touch on your device with the uv

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ports installer and you run into any

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kind of problem just put on telegram

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welcome and install group and there is

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somebody who is friendly responsive and

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will help you out and i can say that

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with confidence because i had the same

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challenge myself

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that's about two years ago

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and there's of course uv port sporting

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if you have a device and you want to get

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that

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uh

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ubuntu touch for that device running and

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you have porting questions you can ask

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around and people should be able to help

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you

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port stuff to the device that you want

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to port to if you're into that kind of

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thing

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and that's just a sub group because we

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have a telegram channel for almost every

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language in the world including dutch

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mum who is sitting here is very active

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in the dutch group

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thank you so much

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and

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yesterday we had terence helping out

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he's from the community helping out on

579
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,720
the application development we have

580
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,200
sander from the dutch community who also

581
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,320
pitched in developing the training stuff

582
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,720
it's it's amazing what we as a community

583
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,720
do

584
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280
support supported devices well they show

585
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,918
again on devices.ubuntu.io

586
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,279
and the data that they shown there

587
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,960
is a representation of a yaml file

588
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,919
so whenever somebody

589
00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:55,279
adds a device he creates a yaml file

590
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,320
with um

591
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,000
a list of features and whether or not

592
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,200
this port already supports that feature

593
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000
and if there are still some issues with

594
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,919
some functionality you can even add a

595
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,799
link to the ticket on gitlab so people

596
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:14,799
can do the research and maybe say oh

597
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,440
yeah let me fix that for instance

598
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,440
or do some more research

599
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,880
and um the repository of those yaml

600
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,159
files is shown in this url which i won't

601
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:28,559
repeat here and you probably are not

602
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:29,840
interested at the moment but i will

603
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,360
upload the slides and you can look at

604
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,000
them later right

605
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,200
okay

606
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,590
that's it

607
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:39,679
[Music]

608
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:42,480
i'm

609
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,640
i'm even surprised myself that i'm

610
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,960
already at the end

611
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200
it's

612
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,919
those are only 14 slides and

613
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,120
i think i just about covered everything

614
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,760
from an awareness perspective

615
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,480
but

616
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,600
every subject has his own

617
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,960
death that you can dive into and talk

618
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,039
about and

619
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,640
i'm not one of the ubuntu touch

620
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,960
developers you know i do develop stuff

621
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,080
but python linux c rust and go i'm

622
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,880
learning those two but

623
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,559
this is a business

624
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,640
with a speciality and

625
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,039
i'm not qualified as a technician to do

626
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,320
technical ubuntu touch stuff but

627
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,120
this is absolutely an amazing project

628
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,320
with

629
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,559
the heart in the right place it's open

630
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:35,760
source we're going in the right

631
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,200
direction

632
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,400
there are

633
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,520
i wish there is there is this new thing

634
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:42,559
news

635
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,159
thing

636
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:46,400
that has an nda

637
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,440
who doesn't know what an nda is

638
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,279
okay

639
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,039
non-disclosure agreement

640
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,600
so i can't tell about it

641
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,400
but i can't tell about it for a year now

642
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,640
but it is coming and when it is it's yay

643
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,520
um

644
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,039
so i know

645
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,960
sorry sorry that i know more than you i

646
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,960
wish i could tell you but i can't

647
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,720
but

648
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,080
we're going in the right direction the

649
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,559
developments are promising uh i know

650
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,360
there are other phone oss and it's great

651
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,400
to see them working together oh we

652
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,720
solved this uh bug oh that's nice let's

653
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,240
see yeah we solved that bug oh yeah

654
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
let's use that one that's the open

655
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,760
source magic

656
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720
so the more the merrier in a way

657
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,200
and i really hope that we can change the

658
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,640
world

659
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,159
make it better by using and distributing

660
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,679
a phone os that puts the user first and

661
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:44,240
doesn't see the user as a product

662
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,320
so i'll shut up now and let's go to

663
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,279
questions

664
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,600
you you you stop talking and ask for q

665
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,799
and a so whatever floats it but um so

666
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,799
please go back to your um to your place

667
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,400
so we have you in the best slide for the

668
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,000
recording and we start with the

669
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,880
microsoft on the front please okay hi i

670
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
hope my question hasn't been already

671
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,400
been answered in the first couple of

672
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,440
minutes um about apps i wanted to know

673
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,400
um

674
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,640
are you planning to make it easier to

675
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,760
port android apps either by um

676
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,000
having a compatible api or maybe even an

677
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,480
android runtime yeah so

678
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,159
android is in a way uh slimmed down and

679
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:26,080
in ubuntu touch but we don't support uh

680
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,240
the apps like on android android we

681
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,559
don't support android apps but

682
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,679
there is there's a group working on a

683
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:37,440
nbox an nbox is sort of a container for

684
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,799
android apps

685
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:39,919
so

686
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:44,000
yes you can run whatsapp on ubuntu touch

687
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
because whatsapp can run in nbox which

688
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,559
runs on ubuntu touch

689
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:49,760
but

690
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,399
don't shoot me if it's still a little

691
00:27:52,399 --> 00:27:56,640
bit buggy so i i won't say it's ah you

692
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,480
should go that direction but yeah we're

693
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,960
working on it it's promising i know

694
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,279
people who say yeah it works for me

695
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,159
great fine but i'm i'm not convinced

696
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,080
that it's rock stable and everybody can

697
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,159
use that all right

698
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:13,440
you're welcome mike in the back please

699
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440
hi i had a look at

700
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,240
the list of the supported devices online

701
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,039
sure and i noticed that out of the seven

702
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,880
start devices there's two made by google

703
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,720
you can feel my question coming

704
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,120
how confident do you feel saying that if

705
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,799
you combine one of these google devices

706
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,640
with ubuntu touch

707
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,159
that none of the user's data gets

708
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,279
collected and sold well it's yes it's a

709
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,559
ubuntu it's a google phone hardware you

710
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,440
wipe the software you put your own stuff

711
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,240
in it

712
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,480
and you don't track people

713
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,559
it's as simple as that

714
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:52,960
yeah unless of course they made

715
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,360
something embedded

716
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,679
that we don't know about

717
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:58,480
yeah

718
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,000
but that's the same that's the same for

719
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,840
intel processors where there's minix

720
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,039
running in

721
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,640
and probably is a way to upgrade that

722
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,960
either replace it by something else and

723
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120
we still don't know how to do that

724
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,279
or i miss the talk about it here that

725
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,480
wouldn't surprise me in a bit

726
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,240
okay thanks oh you're welcome

727
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,320
ah yeah thank you

728
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,640
i see you have a lot of telegram

729
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,520
channels yes are also plans to migrate

730
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,799
to a more distributed system like matrix

731
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,000
for instance

732
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,840
yeah there are matrix clients for for

733
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,799
but to touch definitely yes i mean

734
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,080
also the

735
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640
support the support channels you have

736
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,000
okay

737
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,799
well

738
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,360
it's a community so it's you can't catch

739
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,000
them so no doubt there are matrix

740
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240
channels there are discord uh

741
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,360
initiatives uh we have a forum we have

742
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840
telegram it's it's all over the place so

743
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000
probably it's full of bridges already

744
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,039
yeah that that one i know for sure yeah

745
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,039
okay thank you you're welcome

746
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,158
mike in the back please

747
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,919
i'm somewhat confused

748
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,240
ub ports ubuntu

749
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,000
yeah

750
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,840
uh is ubuntu still in place in play

751
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,600
okay so

752
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,440
you have ubuntu

753
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,000
as a distribution which is made by

754
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,279
canonical and they have the brand name

755
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,000
for the word ubuntu right and the circle

756
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,799
of friend symbol

757
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,520
they started ubuntu touch and they have

758
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,360
abandoned that product

759
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:38,960
and now a

760
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600
community is continue to work on ubuntu

761
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,440
touch

762
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,080
but a community cannot get

763
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,679
a license to use a brand name so there

764
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,919
is a ubports foundation

765
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:55,679
which is the legal body to try to govern

766
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,679
as much as you can govern an open source

767
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,039
community i think i don't have to

768
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,279
explain that here

769
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,399
but that's from a legal standpoint

770
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,679
an entity that helps

771
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:11,440
the community in getting things done so

772
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
if a company wants to

773
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,480
have a contract with another entity they

774
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,000
cannot make a contract with the

775
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,240
community but they can have a contract

776
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720
with the ub ports foundation and the ub

777
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,360
foundation is a license holder of the

778
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,559
ubuntu touch brand name

779
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,399
logo and

780
00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:33,399
derivatives

781
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,640
if i recall correct

782
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,480
ub ports

783
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,679
and they have the domain name

784
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,440
ubuntu

785
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,960
io

786
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,799
but the legal identity is ubuntu ports

787
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,000
on top

788
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,880
uh the ub foundation has several domain

789
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120
names and actually i don't know if they

790
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,919
own ubuntu touch because also the the

791
00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:00,240
app store is an initiative of one of the

792
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
community members so he has the domain

793
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,240
name and he has the app store

794
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,519
and

795
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,320
he runs a very good ship i must say

796
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,000
but he owns

797
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,840
the open store dot io domain name as an

798
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,240
example

799
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:23,600
uh okay thank you no yeah fine messy

800
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,799
okay

801
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,840
mike in the front

802
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,480
please okay and uh in the start you were

803
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
talking about uh the weather app

804
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,399
collecting data yeah

805
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,880
the weather app on this device

806
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,120
on this software wouldn't that also

807
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,399
collect the same data yeah and sell it

808
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:45,279
no

809
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,240
why not

810
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,240
well why would we

811
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,720
because it's the same company

812
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,000
no it isn't for the webinar

813
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,799
no

814
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,240
there are weather apps for ubuntu touch

815
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,320
that get the location data from the gps

816
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,679
sensor

817
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:06,480
and use that to do a

818
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,360
probably a rest call to an a weather api

819
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,840
somewhere online to get away the weather

820
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,960
data

821
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,919
uh but it's not stored it's not uh sold

822
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:18,960
it's

823
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,159
uh we only use it for the purpose for

824
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:25,519
which it is intended because we

825
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,840
and with we i mean both the community

826
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,320
but also the ubi foundation are not

827
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,480
interested in user data because we're

828
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,679
not in the business of selling user data

829
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,760
and that's the one of the founding

830
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,039
principles

831
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,200
of the foundation

832
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,799
yeah i know but the people the company

833
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,519
who makes the weather app is interested

834
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,840
for your

835
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,080
touch

836
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,120
wouldn't they collect that data

837
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,080
if you if there would be an ubuntu touch

838
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,200
application created by a company who

839
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,640
wants to sell off your gps location yeah

840
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,000
then you're right

841
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
but we have a large community and a

842
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,000
weather app from the community is simply

843
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,440
a weather app from the community who

844
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,720
does not sell off data

845
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:20,759
thank you you're welcome

846
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320
how good is the quality of the product

847
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,719
would you use it as a daily driver

848
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,639
lots of people are using it as a daily

849
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,119
driver

850
00:34:32,839 --> 00:34:35,599
i when i started this i'm going to be

851
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,839
honest right when i got started this

852
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:40,239
project i got a phone officially

853
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,719
supported ubuntu touch

854
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,159
and

855
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,440
i

856
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
switched my sim card and i went to a

857
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,040
meeting an hour drive away and the

858
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,280
meeting was longer than i expected so i

859
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,320
was gone a long time and i started using

860
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,720
the navigation to get there and by the

861
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,760
time i got there navigation didn't work

862
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,760
and

863
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,599
also it was not able to answer telegram

864
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,200
messages or

865
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,359
calls and i did it and my wife was

866
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,440
trying to call me as in when are you

867
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,200
coming home and i didn't pick up my

868
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,400
phone which was

869
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,800
rare

870
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,320
and that's one and a half years ago

871
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,040
and the next release fixed it that fixed

872
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,400
dead bug

873
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,000
so since then

874
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,200
i can assure you rock solid connectivity

875
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,720
absolutely um i know of people in the

876
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,640
audience that i won't mention by name at

877
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,640
the moment who started working with

878
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,680
ubuntu touch as a two-week experiment oh

879
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,359
i have a phone lying around let's see

880
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:46,240
how this works that's years ago

881
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,640
and it's yeah it works and they were

882
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,520
happy and they kept on using it

883
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,359
and i think that's

884
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:55,200
that's the way you should address this

885
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,400
it's a tool it's a connectivity tool and

886
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,480
it's not a sensor

887
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,119
for multiple commercial entities it's

888
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,720
your device

889
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,760
and and you use it for what you want to

890
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,720
do with it and that's it

891
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,720
and that's what i

892
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,240
passionately believe in

893
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,599
thank you you're welcome

894
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,440
if you ask questions please come close

895
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,760
to the microphone you're helping our av

896
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,599
angels um

897
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,280
working

898
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200
yeah thank you um there's basically a

899
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,040
follow-up question of the previous

900
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,079
previous

901
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,480
question here how do you make sure that

902
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,359
the

903
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:38,240
app stores for ub ports stay clean of

904
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,720
checking tracking companies especially

905
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,040
if uv ports will grow and you get

906
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,560
millions of users

907
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,320
which i hope will happen

908
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,800
um then there's a business case for

909
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,720
providing apps that do all this tracking

910
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,599
stuff

911
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,079
as they do now on android yeah and

912
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,400
if we are massively

913
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,839
successful

914
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:03,119
that some taiwanese developer thinks hey

915
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,200
let me put a bitcoin miner in there

916
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,359
because yay bitcoins

917
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:08,480
um

918
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,079
then that means we're massively

919
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,720
successful so that part is good and we

920
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,280
have to figure out how to solve this

921
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,880
bitcoin mining stuff right

922
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,599
currently we have this guy running the

923
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,560
open store who reviews the contributions

924
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:25,359
and

925
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:26,240
um

926
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,720
most of those contributions have

927
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,640
when you submit an application you

928
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,960
upload an icon you put in a name and and

929
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,400
the url to the to the git repository

930
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,280
so

931
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,720
that's already

932
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,200
if you put in a hidden bitcoin miner you

933
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,920
probably won't mention the url where

934
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,680
they can find the code

935
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,240
so it's relatively easy to to review

936
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,280
that

937
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,640
um

938
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,960
but yeah currently

939
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520
we're pretty safe and we're relatively

940
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,800
small

941
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,680
and

942
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,119
that makes it easy to to be safe

943
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:02,240
and

944
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,880
if we become more successful

945
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,520
we get more event

946
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,680
sellers of phones

947
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,880
which will probably donate uh

948
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,440
some money to the ub foundation which is

949
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,359
not mandatory you can use it for free

950
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:21,760
but it's in the interest of a vendor to

951
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,839
support ubi foundation to continue

952
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:27,119
development of the os right

953
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,920
and then we can hire people

954
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,720
even if the community can't

955
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:33,920
handle that

956
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,160
workload we hire people to do the

957
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,640
security reviews of newly

958
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,320
submitted apps

959
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,040
you

960
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,520
it's a hard requirement to have open

961
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,359
source

962
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,920
apps for your play stores app stores

963
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,880
well currently it's it's not mandatory

964
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,040
and you can you said these are those are

965
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,079
clickable apps uh but you can program in

966
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:57,440
also in russian

967
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,480
c plus plus c plus is of course compiled

968
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,440
so

969
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,760
you would get uh

970
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,320
an application that is does not need to

971
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,560
be open source okay if it's an open if

972
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,599
it's a javascript application in qml

973
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,839
embed it then

974
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,079
everybody can read the source code right

975
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,400
uh when it's c plus and you only see the

976
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,320
compiled result you don't know what's

977
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,800
behind it

978
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920
so so is your question maybe i can help

979
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,079
you out it's a question more about

980
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,880
what's the equivalent to um google play

981
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,960
protect for example where google says we

982
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,480
will make sure that this is not a

983
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,400
malicious software is is the question

984
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,320
going in that direction

985
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,680
well that's another uh

986
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,520
thinking of similar processes that

987
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,000
android store has to review the apps to

988
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,200
make sure that everything that comes

989
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,599
into it is really open source yeah

990
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,200
um

991
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,839
what i'm

992
00:39:54,839 --> 00:39:58,720
seeing uh with my open source track

993
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,440
record i i see a community that's that's

994
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
thriving that's developing good stuff

995
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,880
and that is also

996
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,560
evolving

997
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,599
so at some point no doubt there should

998
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,560
be mandatory review of new apps and then

999
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,319
somebody will pick up the challenge and

1000
00:40:16,319 --> 00:40:18,400
organize that and make that happen are

1001
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,000
we currently there no we're currently

1002
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480
not there yet but yeah i've every

1003
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,720
confidence that we will

1004
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,800
at the moment that we see that happening

1005
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,599
because

1006
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,200
as a foundation

1007
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,560
we don't have a commercial interest

1008
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,720
and we want to

1009
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,079
make a popular and safe

1010
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,720
open source

1011
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:45,279
operating system for mobile devices

1012
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,960
well nice thank you okay you're welcome

1013
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,440
are there any more questions

1014
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,119
you're probably around somewhere right

1015
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:54,640
where can people reach you

1016
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
um well jeromeypods.com

1017
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,880
works i have two more slides

1018
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,760
we really need devs by the way so

1019
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,720
go to telegram uv ports underscore devil

1020
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,720
and this is how to get in touch we have

1021
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,680
a website we have twitter telegram email

1022
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,640
info or yoon that also works

1023
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
we have code on gitlab and github we are

1024
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,440
still migrating to get lab by the way

1025
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,240
and we have a translation website and we

1026
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,240
have a documentation website

1027
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,800
and we have training material but we

1028
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,760
don't have training.ubpos.com

1029
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,800
yet but there is um

1030
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,319
there is a website for where the

1031
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:38,000
training material for the application

1032
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,640
development is is currently online and

1033
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,560
people can visit that if they want to do

1034
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,520
application development

1035
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
that's my last slide are there any more

1036
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,960
questions last chance

1037
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,760
all right one more okay okay

1038
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,920
just one more

1039
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,079
uv port is not the only

1040
00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:59,760
linux for phone

1041
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:00,960
applications

1042
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,680
very notable one is purism which has the

1043
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,160
librium five

1044
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,359
can you tell something more about the

1045
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,800
differences and

1046
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,920
the

1047
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,319
similar goals that you have i wish i

1048
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:13,200
could

1049
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,720
and it's not that i don't want to

1050
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,640
because there's a lineage os there's the

1051
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,480
pine phone there is uh that one you have

1052
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,079
a vola os you have uh

1053
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:25,520
the

1054
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,319
uh

1055
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:28,000
the the dutch one

1056
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,040
um

1057
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,240
fairtrade fairphone model 4 with lots of

1058
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,760
sensors and cameras which is cool

1059
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,800
and they're all working in the same area

1060
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440
of

1061
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,560
client

1062
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
customer empowerment in a way you know

1063
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,480
privacy awareness

1064
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,800
and

1065
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,119
i have

1066
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,359
almost a day job keeping up with this

1067
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:54,880
project so

1068
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,400
i'm not the

1069
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,960
consultant who knows all the os's and

1070
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,040
and the exact uh differences i'm so

1071
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,160
sorry

1072
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,040
ee foundation is also a very notable uh

1073
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,880
of course yeah

1074
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,160
okay thank you you're welcome

1075
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,760
well if there are no more questions i

1076
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,440
thank you so much for your time in this

1077
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,920
hot uh tent i hope you have an amazing

1078
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,319
event uh the rest of the days and if you

1079
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,400
have any questions just see me outside

1080
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,119
in a sec second it's cooler outside and

1081
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,480
inside so

1082
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,040
and other than that drop me an email and

1083
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,319
i'll try to do to help you out and

1084
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:31,680
yeah get you

1085
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
on your way okay

1086
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,919
bye bye

1087
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,240
you