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so global knock alliance gna

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is a foundation to help

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network operators they started by

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helping them organize meetups but since

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the war in ukraine they also provide

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donated equipment to keep the internet

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running in the country

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um so

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sander stefan is going to talk us

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through

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take it away son

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thank you

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microphone seems to be working

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so um yeah welcome um so keep ukraine

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connected uh is a task force of

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why does this always work except when

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you're

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i'm too far away apparently

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so it's a task force of the global knock

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alliance um

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we just started uh doing stuff for the

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network community um

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nogs are operator groups they get

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usually get together

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exchange knowledge help each other out

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things like that and we were just

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supporting them hosting their websites

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hosting their email just making their

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life a bit easier

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um

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but then

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the war in ukraine happened

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we are all like

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very close together the the network

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operator community is quite a close

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community

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so our

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board member our chair

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actually wrote drove a truck to ukraine

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to help them out with humanitarian good

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and then he was like well if we can do

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this for with humanitarian goods

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why don't we help the network people

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over there

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this is the picture of

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of how it started

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just two trucks full of relief goods in

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the in march

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but yeah this was not enough

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how

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does this actually

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work

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bringing a goods to uh

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to ukraine um

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with a truck

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the biggest problem is actually the

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border crossing

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you still you stand there for hours in a

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queue

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after the first trip we had a board

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meeting

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and we decided

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we started task force keep ukraine

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connected

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now you know what do you do um my

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girlfriend is a designer so she designed

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the logo we registered a website we're

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like oh let's just ask some people

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for help

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so what what do we do well we we need to

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help the the people in ukraine

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we have contacts in the whole community

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so i'm sure we can get something

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together and this was just a very

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just an uh what in one weekend what can

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but this got bigger and bigger really

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really fast so

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we made a little

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application web base where people from

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ukraine could register what they need

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we would register all the donations

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um and actually since then we

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we made multiple uh deliveries so

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my friend alright said like oh you start

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you start as a network engineer and

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three weeks later it turns out you're a

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yeah so we uh we have the database we're

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figuring out what everybody needs what

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everybody

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and this is a lot so

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we started out with a little uh

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you know just a little idea

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um but then our phone didn't stop

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ringing people kept donating stuff we

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got from a big us it donated

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pallets and pallets of equipment we got

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so yeah we have our article database um

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because we don't want to

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just drive some junk to ukraine it's

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like here is some hundred megabit uh

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ethernet hubs have fun bye

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you know we actually want to do

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something that that helps them so people

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can put from uk can actually put in

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these are the things we need

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can can see what's in the system

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the requester can see what's in the

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and we have a lot of help from a company

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deps is actually a distributor like it's

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usually their business to to sell

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hardware but in the war they uh they

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actually work together with the internet

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association

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and they uh

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are now doing all of this work for free

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we ship all the donated equipment to

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them they will actually clean it up

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repackage it check it ship it out to all

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the parties in the in ukraine

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and we now have people uh like in actual

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war zones using this equipment

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so why are we doing this

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ukraine is

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some people are like oh ukraine sounds

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like a third world country we don't know

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but no like the the vast majority of

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people on online i i read the other day

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that like the average bandwidth a person

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has a 60 megabits

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they have a very large fiber to the home

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so yeah so when the war started internet

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how did how the trends uh uh uh go like

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shows where the where the invasion

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non-ukrainian non-russian apps are being

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the the working conditions they have in

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like i tell people like if i ever

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complain about my working conditions

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again let me take a look at this picture

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sitting there is uh

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welding some fibers using a fiber

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this is this is crazy

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yeah it turns out that fiber connections

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and tanks and bombs are not really

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lot now they

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they they actually have to find the

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fight the broken fibers um use tools to

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you're using water it's a very

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convenient way to get your fiber across

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and then you're standing there and you

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military staff protecting you because

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uh turkey and uh donetsk and this is

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actually still a war zone they're trying

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to fix the internet while the war is

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still going on in that region so it's

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actually quite dangerous work as well

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pictures from the the first run to uh uh

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um we loaded up stuff uh and uh renee

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prague to ljubljana which is like all

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the way south uh

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in europe and then uh stayed there for a

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day then drove back to poland uh and

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then crossed into ukraine to actually

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deliver all the stuff we have pallets of

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if you're driving a truck that means

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that you stand in that queue like i

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think he arrived in the queue at 11 in

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the morning and finally uh made it to

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the front of the queue at seven in the

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evening you know just standing there for

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eight hours just queuing

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what next our working on the whole

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supply chain um we wrote

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the tools we're still looking for people

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to help out with all of this

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um because yeah it's still a lot of work

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what are we currently working on

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we are still looking for for more donors

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the high-end isp network gear

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but we're also looking for uh

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for partners to uh to work with us

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in in the logistics

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governments are very hard to work with

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they work on a completely different

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people uh uh

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from the massive the big isps you know

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the uh the national telcos

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um the ones that uh uh

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like multi multi-million dollar

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except ukraine has a lot of smaller

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um i don't know uh if you're like when i

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started working on the internet in 95

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every town had its own isp like there

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companies working together

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everything got bought up and centralized

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and now every country has just a handful

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of isps

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but ukraine is still at the

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at the point where they have small isps

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that just have 10 000 users or 50 000

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users

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and that actually made them really

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really resilient

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um but the downside is is that

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nobody has a good view of who needs help

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so as you as you saw in the

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in the pictures

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they have a lot of broken fiber so one

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of the things we're doing is we're

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using all the donated money to buy

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splicing equipment

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to fix those fibers to

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to measure where the errors are stuff

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like that

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except this is not cheap equipment

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if you have a professional fiber splicer

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yeah i i say it's about nine ten

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thousand euros per splicer

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um we i think we still have like a

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request for 40 of them outstanding so

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um we're still looking for a lot lots of

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donations there

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um

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of course my screen goes to sleep i'm

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sorry

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um

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so yes

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we're collecting money we're collecting

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equipment and we actually have multiple

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uh trips uh going to uh to ukraine we

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have volunteers in poland volunteers in

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germany

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who just spend their own time they're

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not getting paid

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driving around in their van collecting

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equipment bringing it to ukraine so it's

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it's a really impressive

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effort

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and of course all this all this

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volunteering work

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um

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is

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is not something we get paid for this is

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something we do in our spare time so we

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have our day jobs we have our families

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um and this is yeah

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basically just a hobby

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so

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and as as usual hobbies are very

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expensive

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so yeah who's who's who's behind the uh

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all this

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well

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um there's current pre-chart is actually

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sitting right over there

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she does a lot of communication and

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design for us natalie trenham and

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works at ripe ncc she's

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uh she's helping a lot basically when

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she when she started helping out she

360
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said i will help you but i'll kick your

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butt

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because you are way too disorganized and

363
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you need somebody to tell you what to do

364
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and we were like yes please please tell

365
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us what to do we have no idea what we're

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doing

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so she's she's the one who's uh who's

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helping us structure everything

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um well it's a there's me

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uh jan george a

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good friend of mine from slovenia

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then we have

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rene fishmueller

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he works for flex optics and he he's the

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one who drove the first truck to to

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ukraine

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eric bise is helping us a lot

378
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and actually he sponsored uh uh him and

379
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his business uh partners sponsored two

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tents here at uh mch and they're

381
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actually right next to the music stage

382
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where we are uh

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collecting uh hardware for ukraine or

384
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collecting donations and then

385
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the proceeds from that go to ukraine so

386
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he's helping us a lot especially at this

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event

388
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and then the next one danielle and

389
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martin those are two volunteers who

390
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are driving all the fans back and forth

391
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with all

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with all the equipment

393
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so we also have a lot of help from

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ukraine like because like i said we

395
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don't just want to be one of those

396
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,480
charities who just collect junk and dump

397
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it over the border

398
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we actually want to know what they need

399
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before we send stuff

400
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so we have people from the associations

401
00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,240
of internet providers we have people

402
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from the association of um

403
00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:05,519
digital rights copyright stuff like that

404
00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,120
um we have people at deps the

405
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distributor

406
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and maybe good to point out that

407
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distributor wasn't chosen by us

408
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they were chosen by the ukrainian

409
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internet providers

410
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so we're trying to do it

411
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as

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their way as much as we can we're not

413
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telling them what we're going to do we

414
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actually ask them what they want us to

415
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do

416
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so

417
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this way we

418
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we talk to people at the different

419
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associations distributors um

420
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and make sure that people in ukraine

421
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actually get what they

422
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need a whole load of sponsors

423
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nope and there i'm going too fast

424
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and this is actually

425
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something we're

426
00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,399
working on

427
00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:55,040
at the moment is to get those splicers

428
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like i said they are insanely expensive

429
00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,320
um we actually got a very good deal we

430
00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,000
usually uh

431
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,680
get them about half the usual price so

432
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,720
we're actually talking to the

433
00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,440
distributors to the manufacturers

434
00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,880
and we get them

435
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:11,680
for

436
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,320
about 5000 for a really professional

437
00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,920
splicer

438
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,639
so

439
00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:18,880
this this slide is a bit outdated we got

440
00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,560
a we got some more splices now

441
00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,240
especially because last week we got a

442
00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,120
massive donation so we we just put in

443
00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040
some some more uh

444
00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,240
orders

445
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,440
um

446
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,440
but yeah the uh if you if you look at

447
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,759
the right the um

448
00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:34,800
the

449
00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,320
the splices that are really good for

450
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,720
like long distance trunks uh we need

451
00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,399
about 20 of those

452
00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:42,399
and for the the fiber to the home

453
00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,800
because there's a lot of smaller isps

454
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720
we're actually looking

455
00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,279
at about needing 40 of those

456
00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:51,920
so even though we're getting quite some

457
00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,560
donations we're not there by a long shot

458
00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,759
um what else are we uh doing well

459
00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,000
like us we're getting donations from big

460
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,120
companies

461
00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,280
um for the network engineers in the room

462
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,240
we're actually getting juniper mx 2010s

463
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,559
and mx960s donated

464
00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:12,640
so

465
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,000
yeah this is not

466
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,439
cheap hardware that's a couple of

467
00:17:15,439 --> 00:17:17,679
decades old this is actually quite quite

468
00:17:17,679 --> 00:17:20,319
decent hardware for lots of 10 gig and

469
00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,599
100 gig links

470
00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:25,839
so yeah so

471
00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,640
not all of that is necessary

472
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,240
right now

473
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,919
so one of the things when i said we were

474
00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:33,840
looking for partners to work with

475
00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,160
is actually finding warehouses where we

476
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,000
can store stuff

477
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,160
um most of the people who donate

478
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,640
equipment say oh if you can't use it

479
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,640
then sell it and use the money to buy

480
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,440
something you can use

481
00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,080
except that

482
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,590
oh that's cute

483
00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:55,600
[Laughter]

484
00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,960
always happens when you're presenting

485
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,320
right

486
00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,000
um

487
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,320
so yeah so um the problem is the moment

488
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,960
we ship it uh into ukraine

489
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,280
um we can't get it back anymore we can't

490
00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,960
go like oh we shipped it to ukraine but

491
00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,280
they can't actually use it so at that

492
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,679
point we can't ship it back into europe

493
00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:15,120
and then try to sell it and buy

494
00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:16,640
something else for them

495
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,799
so one of the problems we're having at

496
00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:20,000
the moment is

497
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,679
where do we store

498
00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:24,000
the hardware that's donated but not

499
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,960
necessary or not yet necessary

500
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so we can sell it and and get some get

501
00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:30,320
something else

502
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,400
um those are actually quite hard

503
00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,840
problems because

504
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:34,799
um

505
00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:37,039
the logistics companies around the world

506
00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,919
are in a really bad shape at the moment

507
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um

508
00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:41,760
we actually

509
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saw that this week when we were trying

510
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,000
to get the banners for the uh for the

511
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tents next to the music stage

512
00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,320
um they got delivered to the wrong

513
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,400
address they uh uh they were actually

514
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,440
late

515
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,480
and um we did a uh

516
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,200
like a expedited order for the stickers

517
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we got

518
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,799
about to keep ukraine connected

519
00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,640
and we got a notification that they

520
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,360
would be delivered on monday

521
00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:08,160
so

522
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,960
we actually drove to the ups depot in

523
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,280
hovdov earlier today to get the stickers

524
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,440
out of the supply chain because

525
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,440
ups couldn't actually deliver them on

526
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,559
time

527
00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:23,320
so yeah we have stickers at the 10.

528
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,400
yeah but you can you can see how how

529
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,080
much trouble all the logistics companies

530
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,120
are having so um being able to actually

531
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,840
uh store some some large equipment for a

532
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,120
longer time

533
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,640
um

534
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:37,919
for example those if you're talking

535
00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:40,640
about those big routers um

536
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,799
a lot of data centers got destroyed like

537
00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:44,080
we uh

538
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,919
we regularly get videos from one of the

539
00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:47,760
isps where the data center is just

540
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,960
burning

541
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:49,840
um

542
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,520
that's not something they're going to

543
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,280
fix in the short term then short term

544
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,160
they're just going to need some

545
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,360
some emergency backups some connections

546
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:00,559
but maybe

547
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:02,240
half a year from now or a year from now

548
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,159
when the war comes down and hopefully

549
00:20:04,159 --> 00:20:06,799
ukraine is in a better shape

550
00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:08,960
then they'll need some some of that

551
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,120
equipment so that's some of the logistic

552
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:12,559
problems

553
00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,720
we're still working on

554
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,840
and like i said the other one is

555
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,039
political customs

556
00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:22,960
when i said you're standing it for eight

557
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,880
hours in that queue to even get to the

558
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,120
front of the queue to uh uh to talk to

559
00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,400
customs

560
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,799
um if you're in uh and we're leaving

561
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,760
through poland you need a stack of paper

562
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,880
just

563
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,440
to document what you're exporting that

564
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,840
you have export permission because

565
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,240
network gear has encryption software so

566
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,679
it's dual use goods so you have to have

567
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,919
export licenses and all that kind of

568
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:49,520
stuff

569
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,640
um

570
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,720
so of course you need all this paperwork

571
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960
and then you have to export it declare

572
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,480
that you're providing this as

573
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,159
humanitarian aid

574
00:20:58,159 --> 00:20:59,200
and then you're

575
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,280
at the border talking to a customs guy

576
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,679
who is like this isn't humanitarian aid

577
00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,320
this is equipment network equipment

578
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,960
like yes internet is important for

579
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,200
people so like we they need it because

580
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,200
of that detroit

581
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,280
and our first shipment almost got sent

582
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,960
back we actually were looking for

583
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,120
warehouses to store the stuff

584
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,799
because uh

585
00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,120
one guy at the customs

586
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,200
was not sure that he would allow this

587
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,360
through out of poland

588
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,480
luckily everything worked but it's

589
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,240
sometimes quite hard to convince people

590
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,480
that this is also important from a

591
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960
humanitarian point of view

592
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
on the ukrainian side things are a lot

593
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,360
easier you send the paperwork in advance

594
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,200
they give you a qr code you go to the

595
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,919
custom scan the qr code and you're

596
00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:47,360
basically good to go

597
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,440
so it's actually really impressive what

598
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,760
the ukrainians have uh have done there

599
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,240
um so yeah so um

600
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,960
oh i forgot to tell you about that a bit

601
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,159
um

602
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:02,720
what we also are shipping a lot is

603
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,640
power over ethernet switches and wi-fi

604
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,000
access points

605
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,200
um to help people in the bomb shelters

606
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,400
because

607
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,559
people have to shelter from all the all

608
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,000
the violence

609
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,400
um and the internet is the only way they

610
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,679
can keep

611
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,280
connected cell towers are being

612
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,799
destroyed mobile networks are being

613
00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,000
taken over

614
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,520
so um

615
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000
for people to have free internet access

616
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,600
so they can actually facetime their

617
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,240
family and tell everybody they're okay

618
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,880
is is really important so that's also

619
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080
one of the uh things we're working on

620
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,320
and it just shows how from you like i

621
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,480
said from humanitarian perspective how

622
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,679
important

623
00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:44,240
it is to to help to help people get

624
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,120
proper internet access

625
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,200
i'm actually talking way too fast

626
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,799
because that was my last slide

627
00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:55,520
so i guess we have some more time for

628
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,520
questions

629
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:11,919
okay so first question is do you

630
00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:14,080
prioritize in uh infrastructure to

631
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,600
mobile towers

632
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,679
um actually no

633
00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:20,240
um what we see a lot is that the mobile

634
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,000
towers and the cell companies are

635
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,120
getting a lot of help through the

636
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,679
government um there is there are

637
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:27,360
international warehouses shipping stuff

638
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:28,960
to the ukrainian government who then

639
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,240
distributes it

640
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,919
and you often hear people say like oh

641
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:33,760
but you know the internet in ukraine is

642
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:34,720
fine

643
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,559
but yeah then you're talking about the

644
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,559
multi-million dollar companies

645
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,559
um but because there are so many smaller

646
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,799
companies um

647
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,919
that is uh where the the major pain is

648
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:48,720
so what we do is we send it to debs in

649
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,720
ukraine

650
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,760
they actually

651
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,000
keep a list of who is providing service

652
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,600
like i said there's a lot of fiber to

653
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,559
the home

654
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:00,000
so um

655
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
they say okay you know we're we're now

656
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,120
first making

657
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,720
every isp

658
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520
at least

659
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,000
one fiber splicer to fix the the

660
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,559
connections to people's homes

661
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,320
so we're more focusing on that than on

662
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,840
the really large companies in the cell

663
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,840
towers

664
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:23,440
can i can i ask a question

665
00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:29,520
oh repeat yeah does it answer your

666
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,640
question

667
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,880
um i think it's super impressive what

668
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,400
you guys are doing

669
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,279
um

670
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,080
really really nice um and what i really

671
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320
like is the tool you built

672
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,840
to combine questions and available

673
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,960
supply

674
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,679
and i was wondering and if you would be

675
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:50,000
willing to open-source it it already is

676
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480
it already is perfect

677
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,720
no it's i'm so happy because like i said

678
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,480
they started just as a small project

679
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,919
like oh let's see if we can get some

680
00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:59,360
stuff for ukraine

681
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,440
and i'm really happy that i wrote that

682
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,120
tool in the first couple of weeks

683
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,799
because after that i wouldn't have had

684
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,559
the energy to do it anymore

685
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,960
no i understand that but no it's on the

686
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,360
uh it's on github slash knock alliance

687
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,480
and the the tool is over there perfect

688
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,120
we're going to use it for supplies to

689
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,760
the front in khakis

690
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
and if you need any assistance with the

691
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,400
logistics we've managed to solve many of

692
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,200
the headaches you have

693
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,200
so let's drink a beer afterwards that

694
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,919
sounds like an excellent plan

695
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:33,760
thanks for the question thank you um do

696
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
we have any questions from the uh from

697
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,440
the internet

698
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,320
yeah

699
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,120
canary no questions yeah yeah go ahead

700
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,240
go ahead

701
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,840
did the low orbit satellite stuff from

702
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000
musk help

703
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,279
that's a

704
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,840
that's a very good question um so

705
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,840
what we understood is that most of the

706
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,559
of those connections first went to the

707
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,520
the government and military and uh

708
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,039
those offices

709
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:01,840
um

710
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,919
one of the things uh and i spoke to um

711
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:08,000
what's her name like a

712
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,240
reporter some frontiers as a style

713
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,039
organization and they were actually very

714
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,279
careful uh with this

715
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,120
because russians have uh uh missiles

716
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,559
that that home in on satellite signals

717
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:25,600
so one of the things they said is if you

718
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,880
use those uh starlink dishes

719
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000
put them far away from you

720
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,279
put them there

721
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:36,159
walk away then turn them on use them for

722
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,799
a short time and then turn them off wait

723
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,440
a few minutes then go pick them up

724
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,480
i understood that they have very long uh

725
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,799
ethernet cables

726
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:47,600
yeah

727
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,600
they better have yeah i uh i heard from

728
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520
the the reporters that they said it

729
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,320
actually happened that um reporters had

730
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,520
uh satellite phones and were

731
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,200
doing like live broadcasts from ukraine

732
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,279
and speaking on that phone for half an

733
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,720
hour that's a very dangerous thing to do

734
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,320
don't do that

735
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,440
next question is is there any way we can

736
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,320
talk to the polish government about the

737
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,559
uh the the

738
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,520
border control of your stuff

739
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,480
can we

740
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,320
put any pressure

741
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,240
from here

742
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,919
we are talking to people from the from

743
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,679
the eu we have some connections in

744
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,799
poland it's also difficult uh because

745
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,799
you can talk to the officials

746
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,240
but the guy standing at the border

747
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,520
doesn't know anything

748
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,399
so getting that right is is is a bit

749
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:40,880
tricky but uh we're definitely working

750
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,720
on getting better paperwork to convince

751
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,000
them

752
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,919
and the last question is

753
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:49,679
using the military supplies for for guns

754
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,559
and blah blah blah to to shift your

755
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,200
stuff also there

756
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,120
we haven't is that possible

757
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,200
i i don't know we uh

758
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,640
we tried to

759
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,919
focus on the more humanitarian side of

760
00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:05,600
what's needed than on the military side

761
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,360
so we haven't spoken to the military a

762
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,679
lot in the beginning we uh

763
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:11,600
we asked like oh we want to help network

764
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,279
engineers what do you need and we've got

765
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,480
a list of like bulletproof vests and

766
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,080
that that's not our thing you know what

767
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,880
i mean but using them for transport use

768
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,000
their logistics yeah

769
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,159
thanks for the question another question

770
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:27,120
for him

771
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,159
hello yeah so i have a question i just

772
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,960
reminded like it a bit picks up on one

773
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720
the um the things that the person in

774
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,240
front of me said

775
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,919
um you said that you have problems with

776
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,480
warehouses uh did you also try with the

777
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,559
military because for example this are

778
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,960
noted in slovenia military

779
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,440
does have a lot of warehouses

780
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,480
they also um make it available to

781
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,279
certain organizations mostly

782
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,279
i personally it's for scouts i don't

783
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,360
know if the military wants to meddle

784
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,320
these things in a in an official way

785
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,279
but have you tried that and

786
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,000
yeah

787
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,559
we haven't we should thank you

788
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:07,679
cool

789
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:10,480
thanks for the question

790
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,440
uh yeah so my question would be like

791
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,279
what do the russians do after they

792
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,120
occupy an area do they try to disrupt

793
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,960
the networks do they try to censor do

794
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,200
they try to route its uh the traffic in

795
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,039
another way

796
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,279
so the uh usually when the russians

797
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,320
occupy a territory the uh the mobile

798
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,399
signals the internet connections are fed

799
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:31,679
back to russia

800
00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:34,080
so people in those areas get russian tv

801
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,240
they get russian self-service they get

802
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,399
russian filtered internet

803
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:39,360
um

804
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,880
what we saw uh the region uh around uh

805
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,720
kiev where the the russians actually

806
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,159
went away

807
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:46,960
um

808
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,840
is that they destroy everything in uh

809
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,559
that they leave behind so they in in

810
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,039
data centers they just pull stuff out of

811
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,520
the racks and smash it on the floor

812
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,159
um in the offices they uh and this was

813
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:03,120
before bitcoin went down so far but

814
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,080
um

815
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,919
yeah they basically opened all the

816
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:07,840
office pcs and pulled out all the video

817
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,919
cards and ssds before leaving

818
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:10,640
so

819
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
um yeah there's a uh

820
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,120
they basically

821
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,480
when they are somewhere and they stay

822
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,679
they make sure it's all russian

823
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:20,640
controlled the moment they are driven

824
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,880
away again or they uh pull back

825
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,240
they destroy everything before they

826
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,120
leave

827
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,720
so that's that's what we can see from

828
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,559
the strategy

829
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,480
thanks for the question and just another

830
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,320
check any more uh questions from the

831
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,840
internet

832
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,919
uh is that i can't hear is that thumbs

833
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:37,679
down or thumbs up these lights are very

834
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:38,880
bright

835
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440
they're very bright no okay well i have

836
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
a question actually so you you have a

837
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,080
10.

838
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,240
first i'm sorry because i said oh we'll

839
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,000
take maximum 10 minutes of questions and

840
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
then i was finished too early so sorry

841
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,279
for messing up the schedule no that's

842
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,159
fine it's fine it was a um awesome talk

843
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,480
sir thank you um but you uh one question

844
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,039
i have you have a a tent here don't you

845
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:01,519
yes yes so tell us about the tent

846
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,279
so yeah there's uh the the bring and

847
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,159
donate then next to the the music stage

848
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,960
um you can bring stuff there like

849
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,279
books and stuff to that other people

850
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,240
then can uh can use here at the

851
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,840
mch

852
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,039
and then donate money for for ukraine

853
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:19,840
um

854
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,159
if you have any uh

855
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:23,840
equipment that's actually usable for

856
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240
people in ukraine uh we're collecting

857
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240
that as well although i doubt you're

858
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,159
walking around with a massive router but

859
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:32,480
hey who knows it's mch

860
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,360
um

861
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,159
but yeah so um we will be in the in the

862
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:38,000
ten there will be people to talk to we

863
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
actually are putting some uh putting up

864
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,760
some of the pictures to to show what's

865
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,039
happening in uh

866
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,240
in ukraine

867
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,039
um and even if you can't do anything now

868
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,519
uh please come by we have uh we have

869
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,000
stickers we have postcards and stuff

870
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,399
like that so even if we can't do

871
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:58,159
anything right now um maybe you can help

872
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out when you get home brilliant thanks

873
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for this let's thank our speaker for an

874
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amazing talk

875
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[Music]

876
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[Applause]

877
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you