1 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:23,300 thank you everyone it's great being back 2 00:00:20,150 --> 00:00:25,038 in Paris I do actually love Paris it's a 3 00:00:23,300 --> 00:00:27,800 fantastic place with a fantastic 4 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:30,259 audience actually I would say it's a 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,079 delicious audience if you know what I 6 00:00:30,259 --> 00:00:36,680 mean it's actually what Michael said to 7 00:00:33,079 --> 00:00:38,989 Malcolm Turnbull's wife in Australia you 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,550 have a delicious wife lost in 9 00:00:38,989 --> 00:00:42,559 translation but that was a great moment 10 00:00:40,550 --> 00:00:44,720 they both speak in Australia I don't 11 00:00:42,559 --> 00:00:47,479 know if people speak here the videos 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,730 disappeared on YouTube and the topic 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:53,089 God's forgotten so today I will talk 14 00:00:49,730 --> 00:00:56,148 about drones a topic I've worked on 15 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:58,809 let's say for a year and over the past 16 00:00:56,149 --> 00:01:03,170 year developing methodology and 17 00:00:58,809 --> 00:01:06,800 developing threats threat modeling etc 18 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:08,840 so I have a lot of content I wanted to 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,740 share so it goes fast 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,800 so switch to 64-bit and we will be fine 21 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:18,289 I guess 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,890 just something about me there's not much 23 00:01:18,289 --> 00:01:20,989 to say 24 00:01:18,890 --> 00:01:24,649 I have titles and letters and acronyms 25 00:01:20,989 --> 00:01:25,910 but that doesn't help you at all so I 26 00:01:24,649 --> 00:01:27,470 will just go with that 27 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:30,590 I'm usually involved in everything 28 00:01:27,470 --> 00:01:35,179 that's information security not just IT 29 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:37,789 security for that matter and usually if 30 00:01:35,179 --> 00:01:41,959 it's very expensive or very important 31 00:01:37,789 --> 00:01:46,390 it's my turn we will talk about drones 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:50,179 today from the drones themselves and 33 00:01:46,390 --> 00:01:54,470 generally the work I do is usually I'm 34 00:01:50,179 --> 00:01:56,660 in the area of danger I'm not so much 35 00:01:54,470 --> 00:02:00,039 involved of the positive side of the 36 00:01:56,660 --> 00:02:03,649 drones like delivering medication 37 00:02:00,039 --> 00:02:07,039 delivering blood samples dropping 38 00:02:03,649 --> 00:02:09,649 packets for human disaster relief etc 39 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:12,080 that's all fine but I am on the dark 40 00:02:09,649 --> 00:02:14,239 side of the drones I'm talking about 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:17,810 defense I talking about attacks I'm 42 00:02:14,239 --> 00:02:19,879 talking about threats etc so that you 43 00:02:17,810 --> 00:02:21,700 just a little bit understand this it's 44 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:25,340 like with the glass half full or half 45 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:27,829 empty my glass is broken on the floor 46 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:30,160 everything is built a person is coming 47 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:33,190 and sleeping and is suing you so that's 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:36,280 view of the world here we have in the 49 00:02:33,190 --> 00:02:38,980 topic of drones and the ally urge you 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,520 not to forget we have two type of drones 51 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:45,070 we have two cooperative drones the nice 52 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:48,160 ones the pilots that stay to the 53 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:50,859 restrictions the drones that on live and 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,290 they shouldn't fly and everyone is 55 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:55,300 looking after themselves and it's 56 00:02:53,290 --> 00:02:57,310 happily ever if you would have more 57 00:02:55,300 --> 00:03:00,160 drone pilots like this 58 00:02:57,310 --> 00:03:01,950 it's like similar in the IT world we 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,480 wouldn't need firewalls and antivirus 60 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:07,570 because the people who pee so brave but 61 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:10,840 there's the other side my side 62 00:03:07,570 --> 00:03:13,269 the non-cooperative drones and usually 63 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,970 when you talk about drones or the topic 64 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:18,430 of drones it's a I will tell you later 65 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:20,980 very typically typically get involved in 66 00:03:18,430 --> 00:03:23,680 that is smart cities critical 67 00:03:20,980 --> 00:03:26,739 infrastructure etc you will have two non 68 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,920 cooperative drones and it's similarly 69 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:32,260 hard to explain to people what you have 70 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:36,250 to do what you have to stand up against 71 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:39,459 for how you have to build your security 72 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:41,530 posture against this type of drones or 73 00:03:39,459 --> 00:03:50,020 it's not just the drones against this 74 00:03:41,530 --> 00:03:50,620 type of let's say drone attacks my frame 75 00:03:50,020 --> 00:03:53,620 of mind 76 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:55,870 I quickly highlighted that one in this 77 00:03:53,620 --> 00:03:58,930 bit or in the last year so which have 78 00:03:55,870 --> 00:04:00,100 been involved with the drone topics I'm 79 00:03:58,930 --> 00:04:02,320 playing defense 80 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:06,670 la la blue like on the World 81 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Championship here like blue team you can 82 00:04:06,670 --> 00:04:11,980 say in this way but also I believe need 83 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,010 to develop some red team or attack 84 00:04:11,980 --> 00:04:17,950 capabilities in order to be a good blue 85 00:04:15,010 --> 00:04:20,349 team player you need to understand you 86 00:04:17,950 --> 00:04:23,110 need to try to predict you need to be 87 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:25,120 pre-emptive about it and you need to 88 00:04:23,110 --> 00:04:30,370 know what capabilities are out there 89 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:32,740 what are you self competing against what 90 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:36,820 can hit you so that you can actually 91 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:39,100 prepare an adequate defense usually if 92 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:41,200 you not just have money is not an issue 93 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:43,930 you can build anything you need to 94 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,570 justify what defense is you are built 95 00:04:43,930 --> 00:04:48,850 and in this perspective the framework we 96 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:52,240 will later look at will help you because 97 00:04:48,850 --> 00:04:54,580 you cannot use $50,000 for a drone 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:57,070 defense system if you the risky 99 00:04:54,580 --> 00:05:02,320 protecting is very smaller than $50,000 100 00:04:57,070 --> 00:05:05,400 for instance so that's where start I do 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:09,490 also have high goals for you here 102 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:11,830 actually I would like you to take a 103 00:05:09,490 --> 00:05:14,590 couple of things with you and especially 104 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:17,380 what I really like is the year I worked 105 00:05:14,590 --> 00:05:21,008 on this topic prepared materials risk 106 00:05:17,380 --> 00:05:24,490 analysis did some testing developed some 107 00:05:21,009 --> 00:05:27,580 basic KPIs around this topic that you 108 00:05:24,490 --> 00:05:30,400 can take this further that you can take 109 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:32,740 this into your companies or that you can 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,469 start instead of the usual pen testing 111 00:05:32,740 --> 00:05:39,430 you can start painting in the direction 112 00:05:35,470 --> 00:05:42,550 of IOT in the direction of drones the 113 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:44,139 drone itself is just a representation of 114 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:44,830 what's coming in the future in the IT 115 00:05:44,139 --> 00:05:48,159 world 116 00:05:44,830 --> 00:05:50,380 it's like autonomous vehicles you will 117 00:05:48,159 --> 00:05:52,690 have the same problems there for 118 00:05:50,380 --> 00:05:55,930 instance one use case I usually bring to 119 00:05:52,690 --> 00:06:00,130 the table is if Google Drive is bringing 120 00:05:55,930 --> 00:06:02,440 me to the hospital you know I call they 121 00:06:00,130 --> 00:06:06,310 bring me their emergency services I get 122 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,530 in then the car stops or for that matter 123 00:06:06,310 --> 00:06:11,710 just any autonomous car it doesn't have 124 00:06:08,530 --> 00:06:15,039 to be Google Drive what do you do as the 125 00:06:11,710 --> 00:06:18,400 owner of the hospital how do you have to 126 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:21,490 pull the car away or not there's no 127 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,870 driver you can look for there is no one 128 00:06:21,490 --> 00:06:25,000 there there is maybe not even GPS 129 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:27,070 reception at this location so what do 130 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,669 you do okay first you need to write 131 00:06:27,070 --> 00:06:33,430 policies as usual paper but after the 132 00:06:30,669 --> 00:06:36,219 paper need to do some action maybe there 133 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:39,250 you need to have new sensors or new 134 00:06:36,220 --> 00:06:41,889 signals telling that's not a zone for 135 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:46,419 autonomous vehicles or self-driving cars 136 00:06:41,889 --> 00:06:49,150 or robots for that matter so what you 137 00:06:46,419 --> 00:06:52,029 will learn with the drones you can apply 138 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:54,400 to other areas in the future where I 139 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:57,250 believe is a lot of work involved for 140 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,789 everyone from technical to architectural 141 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:03,850 to 142 00:06:57,790 --> 00:07:08,200 security how did I came about the topic 143 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:12,010 of drones or did the topic find actually 144 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:14,320 me the same will probably apply to you 145 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:16,930 so about a year ago we had a critical 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:20,020 infrastructure operator in the power 147 00:07:16,930 --> 00:07:22,620 area utilities coming to us I worked by 148 00:07:20,020 --> 00:07:25,240 the way for the largest Switzerland 149 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:28,060 telecommunication provider majority 150 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,660 government-owned so of course where does 151 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:33,520 the government come forward to us 152 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:36,490 critical infrastructure provider who was 153 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,950 looking for solution to protect his 154 00:07:36,490 --> 00:07:40,780 infrastructure that was a start they 155 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:43,960 didn't know where to go where do we go 156 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:46,869 with this do we go to like the safety 157 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:51,130 people who build the fences is it the 158 00:07:46,870 --> 00:07:52,750 cyber topic is it the general topic so 159 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:55,240 they came to us and I'm actually really 160 00:07:52,750 --> 00:07:58,950 glad that was one of the starting points 161 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:01,030 for talking about drones and drone risks 162 00:07:58,950 --> 00:08:03,670 then we had the e health provider 163 00:08:01,030 --> 00:08:07,539 hospital Switzerland has become a bit of 164 00:08:03,670 --> 00:08:09,910 a Silicon Valley for drones because we 165 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:13,000 have everything we have snow rain 166 00:08:09,910 --> 00:08:14,320 mountains lakes high highly densely 167 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,500 populated areas 168 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,870 cities but it's mostly important as well 169 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:22,900 our legislation is not that strict like 170 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:24,930 in other places in other places it's 171 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:27,549 completely you know when they sometimes 172 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:30,670 bring out the new law it's totally over 173 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:32,830 the top until it gets corrected again we 174 00:08:30,670 --> 00:08:35,110 didn't don't have to do this yet in 175 00:08:32,830 --> 00:08:37,630 Switzerland so it's for startups quite 176 00:08:35,110 --> 00:08:40,690 attractive to test but also we had 177 00:08:37,630 --> 00:08:43,120 startups talking to us and me I mean 178 00:08:40,690 --> 00:08:45,250 Texas is not the same as Switzerland in 179 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,280 the mountains so that's why they come to 180 00:08:45,250 --> 00:08:50,410 Switzerland to test details provider was 181 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:53,230 actually we have now two of these 182 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:55,260 projects running they transporting blood 183 00:08:53,230 --> 00:08:59,280 samples from one hospital to the other 184 00:08:55,260 --> 00:09:02,710 over the air in a city populated area 185 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:05,079 it's very interesting so there is also a 186 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:09,070 point where you from a security 187 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:11,770 perspective have to swoop in and that's 188 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:13,930 when it's about patient data protection 189 00:09:11,770 --> 00:09:16,350 so we have to at all times make sure 190 00:09:13,930 --> 00:09:19,390 that the integrity of the data 191 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:22,510 concerning a patient needs to be half 192 00:09:19,390 --> 00:09:24,130 integrity what's happening there is the 193 00:09:22,510 --> 00:09:27,100 drones just transport these blood 194 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:28,960 samples from A to B with no additional 195 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:32,170 consideration we don't mean no 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,230 additional kpi's or audit points what 197 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:38,140 happens to these samples in the air has 198 00:09:35,230 --> 00:09:39,670 not been questioned yet and the third 199 00:09:38,140 --> 00:09:42,280 one was specifically the government 200 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:44,290 asked about drone capabilities in terms 201 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,860 of what can they do what threat they 202 00:09:44,290 --> 00:09:50,439 pose etc so we worked that out also 203 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:53,970 clearly you can see what's happening 204 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:56,980 here is the topic is not quite clear 205 00:09:53,970 --> 00:09:59,110 it's not quite sure where this topic 206 00:09:56,980 --> 00:10:02,170 show should go and who should handle it 207 00:09:59,110 --> 00:10:06,480 so it usually it falls between chairs 208 00:10:02,170 --> 00:10:09,819 and banks or it gets taken on by someone 209 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:12,390 here give you actually the summary of 210 00:10:09,820 --> 00:10:15,370 today that will be your worst enemy 211 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:17,860 innovation in this regard and you need 212 00:10:15,370 --> 00:10:21,190 to prepare yourself to handle it we did 213 00:10:17,860 --> 00:10:23,710 have a lot of talks to startups company 214 00:10:21,190 --> 00:10:26,620 setting drones using drones industrial 215 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:29,620 drones fire brigade the police using it 216 00:10:26,620 --> 00:10:32,560 etc but always where you struggle most 217 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:34,270 is innovation because you go there and 218 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:36,459 say yeah that's this in this risk it's a 219 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:38,560 populated area you could lose data it's 220 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:41,200 sensitive you know all these things it 221 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:44,619 could be hacked etc when I say yeah it's 222 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:47,080 new we want to be the first ones we need 223 00:10:44,620 --> 00:10:49,090 to get this through and as usually with 224 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,750 security they just see you as a 225 00:10:49,090 --> 00:10:52,630 roadblock 226 00:10:49,750 --> 00:10:55,420 so either you become a big roadblock or 227 00:10:52,630 --> 00:10:57,910 you need to find ways around this but I 228 00:10:55,420 --> 00:11:00,910 will tell you if you get involved risk 229 00:10:57,910 --> 00:11:04,589 security innovation will be along your 230 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:04,589 way and you have to deal with that one 231 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,910 especially here I can just tell you 232 00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:11,410 there's a topic which is called 233 00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:13,209 predictive maintenance 234 00:11:11,410 --> 00:11:15,219 I don't know if you have heard of but 235 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:18,160 that's the holy grail of production 236 00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:20,500 where you try to predict and then just 237 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,810 do maintenance based on that instead of 238 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:25,150 bringing your car in at 30,000 239 00:11:22,810 --> 00:11:27,880 kilometers and at 60,000 kilometer 240 00:11:25,150 --> 00:11:30,430 you will use predictive maintenance to 241 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:33,880 bring it maybe at 40,000 and then at 242 00:11:30,430 --> 00:11:36,729 80,000 that's what's done with the f-16 243 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,610 fighter jet planes in the US and that 244 00:11:36,730 --> 00:11:46,480 will be done to a lot of defense 245 00:11:38,610 --> 00:11:50,770 vehicles I say so in the future why are 246 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:53,710 drones an InfoSec topic it's all about 247 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:56,230 data it's all about location where the 248 00:11:53,710 --> 00:12:00,310 data is what you transport it's all 249 00:11:56,230 --> 00:12:02,170 about the space and area so it's the 250 00:12:00,310 --> 00:12:05,680 third time I mentioned it's just like 251 00:12:02,170 --> 00:12:08,079 you build wings on a firewall and up in 252 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:11,589 the air it's the same thing so this is a 253 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,210 very very much infra sect Opik but also 254 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:16,540 think it's important for everyone to 255 00:12:13,210 --> 00:12:19,060 realize it's like in soccer you need to 256 00:12:16,540 --> 00:12:22,510 offer yourself you need to offer your 257 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:25,359 services for maybe pentesting IOT maybe 258 00:12:22,510 --> 00:12:27,340 do some analysis of the drones maybe 259 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,070 look at the processes maybe writing 260 00:12:27,340 --> 00:12:31,750 policies for drone transportation make 261 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:33,970 make sure that health care has been 262 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:36,340 included checking in with critical 263 00:12:33,970 --> 00:12:37,210 infrastructure providers so it's for 264 00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:40,200 both sides 265 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:42,970 you know the the operators or the drone 266 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:45,400 innovators don't know where to go but 267 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:48,730 also from an InfoSec perspective you 268 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:51,730 have to offer yourself because you have 269 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:53,230 a hope so after recession deeper 270 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:56,050 understanding about the topic and the 271 00:12:53,230 --> 00:12:58,720 risks like in soccer offer yourself to 272 00:12:56,050 --> 00:13:01,990 those company develop new services for 273 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:04,180 pentesting or develop the capabilities 274 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:14,410 for your critical infrastructure you may 275 00:13:04,180 --> 00:13:18,819 operate in it's definitely an InfoSec 276 00:13:14,410 --> 00:13:20,890 topic also definitely here we do this 277 00:13:18,820 --> 00:13:22,810 anyway in Switzerland at the telco 278 00:13:20,890 --> 00:13:25,150 provider physical security and 279 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:27,729 information or IT security has come 280 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:31,030 together so we have people which are in 281 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:33,670 the shops and we have let's say the 282 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:36,100 InfoSec guys who work together what's 283 00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:38,020 happening there what is for instance 284 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:38,840 physical security in the shops we talk 285 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:41,990 about robbery 286 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:45,230 in the same meeting as InfoSec in terms 287 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:46,910 of switching off location services no 288 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:48,590 one can see that a repair centers are 289 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:51,680 and also these sorts of things 290 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:53,720 maybe you discover the same these worlds 291 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:55,819 are merging and I think with the new 292 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:59,660 technologies like drones autonomous 293 00:13:55,820 --> 00:14:01,450 vehicles even more so so it's like a si 294 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:04,819 fish it's a new discipline 295 00:14:01,450 --> 00:14:07,310 cyber-physical you see that in the area 296 00:14:04,820 --> 00:14:10,250 of SCADA much better because SCADA is a 297 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:14,630 more of a direct impact in the physical 298 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:18,410 world as other components here will give 299 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:20,210 you some really basics about the drones 300 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:21,829 if you work with drones and a topic of 301 00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:23,690 drones it's all about the lingo of the 302 00:14:21,830 --> 00:14:26,180 dingoo you need to know what you're 303 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:28,339 talking about and just give you some 304 00:14:26,180 --> 00:14:30,410 facts and maybe already things we 305 00:14:28,339 --> 00:14:35,480 figured out is quite hard for people to 306 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:37,939 fathom so a drone 0 200 3 seconds it 307 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:42,070 beats every sports car in this regard 308 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:45,350 braking takes about 5 meters to stop 309 00:14:42,070 --> 00:14:49,670 maximum speed and that's maybe changing 310 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:52,460 weekly is 185 kilometers it is not just 311 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:55,839 like this little lane white things you 312 00:14:52,460 --> 00:14:58,280 see flying around there really fast 313 00:14:55,839 --> 00:14:59,600 altitude it's also discussion you know 314 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,350 it's a here they don't fly that high 315 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:05,870 well there's a record of 3700 meters 316 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:08,060 with one of those ones it can have up to 317 00:15:05,870 --> 00:15:12,740 45 minutes usually it's probably around 318 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:14,810 20 payload always a discussion up to a 319 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:16,580 person there was a person hanging on a 320 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:18,760 drone ok it was a bit bigger of course 321 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:21,320 and he was jumping with the parachute 322 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,870 then often the discussion is to reach 323 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,480 people talk in this in this risk 324 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:29,030 scenarios about reach they talk about 325 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,400 remote control and have this in mind 326 00:15:29,030 --> 00:15:33,350 it's like a plane you steer with a 327 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:36,350 remote control and then yeah is it one 328 00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:39,860 kilometer is it 2 kilometres but forget 329 00:15:36,350 --> 00:15:42,050 discussion about distance I can be 330 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:45,950 sitting in Central Park with my phone 331 00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:49,219 and I can fly a drone in Paris if 332 00:15:45,950 --> 00:15:52,730 someone opens the box for me so there is 333 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:54,709 no discussion about in my mind of course 334 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:57,440 always there's no discussion about 335 00:15:54,709 --> 00:16:00,260 distance and controlling a drone this is 336 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,750 long gone there's not maybe a pilot 337 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:04,480 standing or on the corner maybe there is 338 00:16:02,750 --> 00:16:08,000 but forget from a risk perspective 339 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:11,209 distance distance is everywhere they you 340 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,149 go over the mobile network to fly a 341 00:16:11,209 --> 00:16:17,630 drone from everywhere in the world 342 00:16:13,149 --> 00:16:20,690 costs a couple of hundred to $20,000 a 343 00:16:17,630 --> 00:16:22,850 specific one for instance with cameras 344 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:26,690 for the fire brigade infrared cameras 345 00:16:22,850 --> 00:16:28,699 etc and also they're using navigation 346 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:31,339 systems like GPS for their positioning 347 00:16:28,699 --> 00:16:34,939 some of them so we need to know a bit 348 00:16:31,339 --> 00:16:37,279 about communication the area of 349 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:40,160 communication may be the frequency they 350 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:43,519 use signals aerodynamics and a bit of 351 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,620 physics then the regulation I put 352 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:47,630 together a slide for you social thought 353 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:50,300 has handouts for yourself take it home 354 00:16:47,630 --> 00:16:53,029 and look at it there's a lot of like 355 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,800 regulation out there it's also changing 356 00:16:53,029 --> 00:16:58,160 on a monthly basis everyone is going 357 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:00,800 towards the European regulation but 358 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,480 regulation never stopped crime you 359 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,369 always have to think about this one 360 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,189 it's cool regulation you have to follow 361 00:17:04,369 --> 00:17:08,989 it look at it as a matter of fact you 362 00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:13,220 have to build your own defense around 363 00:17:08,990 --> 00:17:17,569 this topic here are the links for this 364 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:20,870 one and usually people are looking at 365 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:24,649 the police yeah that's right it would be 366 00:17:20,869 --> 00:17:26,899 actually a police a police job if 367 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:30,320 there's a problem with privacy or 368 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:33,140 trespassing but you can call them they 369 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,129 might come when they are here your drone 370 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:40,640 is gone so there's no point in 371 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:43,190 emphasizing on this this is the map of 372 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,470 Paris your flight map I'm really sorry 373 00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:48,020 for your guys it's all red no-fly zones 374 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:51,620 pretty boring but as I told you 375 00:17:48,020 --> 00:17:53,660 regulation never stopped the crime very 376 00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:55,219 well there's a map it's usually in all 377 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:57,710 the countries there's a map showing 378 00:17:55,220 --> 00:18:01,340 where you can fly where you can't fly 379 00:17:57,710 --> 00:18:03,290 with hate limits or weight limits for 380 00:18:01,340 --> 00:18:05,389 that matter and they're just a couple of 381 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:09,020 spots in in Paris 382 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:11,510 I wonder how a hospital scenario would 383 00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:13,430 work here in France but maybe then they 384 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:16,430 would just get exceptional for handling 385 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:19,490 such cases I guess the other side which 386 00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:23,180 is really nice with these maps is it's 387 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:25,190 for open source intelligence there's a 388 00:18:23,180 --> 00:18:27,080 lot of intelligence in those maps the 389 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:29,900 usual flight maps are one to three 390 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,870 hundred thousand the Eco maps where they 391 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:34,910 show you the air pathways and the 392 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:37,459 landing zone CPR zones where the 393 00:18:34,910 --> 00:18:40,400 airports are but the drone maps are much 394 00:18:37,460 --> 00:18:43,880 better because on the drone maps every 395 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,740 little Airport is there and you might 396 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,390 wonder I was looking in Switzerland you 397 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:49,220 see the military airport 398 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:50,810 you know usually it's a big drama around 399 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:53,120 them where are they and you can't tell 400 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:55,639 and they have secret names for them and 401 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:58,340 blah blah and then on the drone map you 402 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,200 see a red circle around them and well I 403 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:03,110 guess then you know where the stuff is I 404 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,570 looked a bit around Paris there's also 405 00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:08,149 an interesting place just more up to the 406 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:10,010 east where there was a red circle in the 407 00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:11,600 middle of nowhere I thought well let's 408 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:14,210 have a look at it first I was thinking 409 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:17,149 it's a cemetery usually its no-fly zones 410 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:19,940 or cemeteries but it wasn't it was just 411 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:23,360 an open field I was looking at it then 412 00:19:19,940 --> 00:19:25,280 opened google maps places looked at 413 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:27,860 companies in this area and there was 414 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:31,100 some type of specific company doing some 415 00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:33,709 kind of helicopter engines I mean I 416 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:36,830 would never have found that without 417 00:19:33,710 --> 00:19:39,050 these nice drone restriction maps so 418 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:42,980 don't forget it's a good source a good 419 00:19:39,050 --> 00:19:47,060 piece for open source intelligence topic 420 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:51,530 itself it's a hot topic but I say it 421 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:54,679 looks like it's actually fear 422 00:19:51,530 --> 00:19:58,970 uncertainty and doubt it's a bit of a 423 00:19:54,680 --> 00:20:01,370 circus it's a low maturity topic in 424 00:19:58,970 --> 00:20:03,830 regards to what you can do against it in 425 00:20:01,370 --> 00:20:06,709 regards to what the informations are out 426 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:08,960 there as I told you before it's an 427 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:12,920 innovation topic that makes it even a 428 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:15,560 bit more worse for risk people or people 429 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,570 have to protect themselves and it's a 430 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,370 start-up mentality so 431 00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:22,678 if you work there they're everywhere 432 00:20:20,370 --> 00:20:26,428 startups you will get in contact with 433 00:20:22,679 --> 00:20:29,759 them they will tell you anything so it's 434 00:20:26,429 --> 00:20:32,970 a bit like the age of gurus and prophets 435 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:35,250 in this regard and it's sometimes hard 436 00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:37,380 to work in there I also did a bit of 437 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:40,139 start-up work in there with with one of 438 00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:42,750 our product get involved it brilliant 439 00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:45,360 people open mind it's dynamic 440 00:20:42,750 --> 00:20:47,730 you know fresh new everything is better 441 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:49,408 which is coming and I tell you it 442 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:52,019 started I said yeah you can you upload 443 00:20:49,409 --> 00:20:53,909 your risk map assessment for the 444 00:20:52,019 --> 00:20:56,850 government who I don't know whatever 445 00:20:53,909 --> 00:21:00,090 system this was called some online in 446 00:20:56,850 --> 00:21:01,620 the cloud related canvas management tool 447 00:21:00,090 --> 00:21:03,689 and then about a week later I got 448 00:21:01,620 --> 00:21:06,120 another tool and say yeah look at this 449 00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:08,279 one we had to start up and we created a 450 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:12,059 common working area with those ones in 451 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:15,389 the cloud I said hey guys time out 452 00:21:12,059 --> 00:21:18,960 that's wrong no we're severe security 453 00:21:15,389 --> 00:21:22,080 information security we are the guys who 454 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:24,360 make you know data classification and 455 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,129 stuff and this world here where 456 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:27,928 everything is open you find everything 457 00:21:26,129 --> 00:21:30,899 all the information out there in clouds 458 00:21:27,929 --> 00:21:34,950 and share points and canvasses it's a 459 00:21:30,899 --> 00:21:39,629 world that collides with each other so 460 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:44,519 keep that in mind then this leads to 461 00:21:39,629 --> 00:21:47,090 this why testing it's really from my 462 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:50,100 experience especially with new topics 463 00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:53,899 with a lot of innovation with a lot of 464 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:58,439 startup do some testing because you 465 00:21:53,899 --> 00:22:00,330 almost get promised everything so I 466 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,419 really need to look under the hood and 467 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:06,418 we did that we did commissioned some 468 00:22:03,419 --> 00:22:08,190 drone defense systems at the beginning 469 00:22:06,419 --> 00:22:11,759 they are fantastic and on paper they 470 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:13,649 look awesome but in real life it's a 471 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:16,590 different story and I can tell you here 472 00:22:13,649 --> 00:22:20,758 right now none of these drone defense 473 00:22:16,590 --> 00:22:22,470 systems were a hundred percent and for 474 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:25,529 the rest you need to think for yourself 475 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:29,010 what's acceptable as a risk that's left 476 00:22:25,529 --> 00:22:30,230 or what's not acceptable some of these 477 00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:32,280 system are based on different 478 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:34,770 technologies 479 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,389 some of the systems will detect Birds 480 00:22:34,770 --> 00:22:38,820 for drones 481 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:41,070 some of them will detect and there's 482 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:43,830 actually a lot trucks with cooling 483 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:46,320 system and vents on their roofs or in 484 00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:48,659 the in the cabin it's so it really 485 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,450 depends some systems are actually very 486 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:54,960 good at detecting some sort of drones 487 00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:57,900 they can even stop them but they 488 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,390 completely miss the other ones so for 489 00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:02,700 that matter it depends on the 490 00:22:59,390 --> 00:23:05,340 criticality of your infrastructure or 491 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:10,320 your event or place really do do some 492 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:13,350 testing I can highly recommend that so 493 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,480 after all this we decided getting into 494 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:18,419 the topic for the last year this is the 495 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:21,240 first topic there is no much to go on on 496 00:23:18,420 --> 00:23:23,940 this we need to create structure need to 497 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:27,390 create structure and method to assess 498 00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:29,490 risk and do some effective testing on 499 00:23:27,390 --> 00:23:31,980 what's working and what's really the 500 00:23:29,490 --> 00:23:35,280 risk with these drones it's getting 501 00:23:31,980 --> 00:23:37,740 hyped from I don't know people getting a 502 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,080 high checked or whatever with drones but 503 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:42,300 also we have to determine if it's a real 504 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,000 threat and also we have to come up with 505 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:47,250 like a model for actually getting the 506 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,200 money if you want to build defense no 507 00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:50,910 one will just throw your money just 508 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,520 throw money at you and say build 509 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:55,950 something you need to build on a purpose 510 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,680 or you need to kind of match up while 511 00:23:55,950 --> 00:24:00,690 you're building these type of things so 512 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,970 since there were no standard we start 513 00:24:00,690 --> 00:24:06,180 doing at our own we first developed a 514 00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:10,470 catalog what's out there what has been 515 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:14,280 reported what really has been a case in 516 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:15,720 drone then secondly we built after the 517 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,360 catalog the drone threat and 518 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,970 countermeasures categorize them and then 519 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:23,879 also we added like to the categories 520 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:26,250 themselves additional criterias to see 521 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,740 what's really feasible solutions for 522 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:30,450 drone detection but I will walk you 523 00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:33,450 quickly through that one you get this as 524 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:38,310 handouts so I won't iterate on every bit 525 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:42,360 of it that's the thread catalog it 526 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:44,428 contains 140 items in there some of them 527 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,110 of you know the typical ones like 528 00:24:44,429 --> 00:24:49,080 payload you know 529 00:24:46,110 --> 00:24:51,110 they are also espionage industrial 530 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,149 espionage you can use it for that 531 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:56,879 carrying laser microphones you can also 532 00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:59,039 do droppings it sounds a bit strange but 533 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,470 I actually use it more in this way for 534 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:05,549 social engineering because a memory 535 00:25:01,470 --> 00:25:09,059 stick dropped inside a nuclear plant on 536 00:25:05,549 --> 00:25:11,429 the parking lot is so much better than 537 00:25:09,059 --> 00:25:14,668 dropping the memory stick outside that 538 00:25:11,429 --> 00:25:17,669 facility if you as a person 539 00:25:14,669 --> 00:25:19,710 going somewhere living somewhere you 540 00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:22,200 enter these facilities you hand over 541 00:25:19,710 --> 00:25:24,480 your phone blah blah your identification 542 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,570 card you go in there you usually never 543 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:31,020 look up you forget about this there is a 544 00:25:27,570 --> 00:25:33,120 three meter high NATO fence with a three 545 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:36,120 meter divider where the docks are and 546 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:39,689 other fans in there and you feel somehow 547 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:42,870 inherently safe in there you feel I'm in 548 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:45,360 a protected facility yes you are in a 549 00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:47,520 way but with drones you can't forget it 550 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:49,770 with the drone I mean the third 551 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:53,809 dimension I can drop anything anywhere 552 00:25:49,770 --> 00:25:57,360 access point repeaters memory sticks 553 00:25:53,809 --> 00:26:00,750 trackers etc whatever you like here for 554 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:03,209 some other risks like more into the IOT 555 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:05,700 hacking hacking of medical equipment of 556 00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:08,039 persons which are relying because you 557 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:11,520 now can have access there you have 558 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:13,980 access to the rooftop apartment you have 559 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,710 access also to the rooftop apartment and 560 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:18,870 the art is there if someone has a very 561 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:20,970 expensive statue in his rooftop 562 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:24,239 apartment you can go and steal it with a 563 00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:28,770 drone it's very easy you can go and 564 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:32,730 steal the phone's purse the dog whatever 565 00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:34,289 you like so that's just a bit of the 566 00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:37,620 drone risk from this one hundred and 567 00:26:34,289 --> 00:26:40,740 forty risks we compiled together then 568 00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:44,158 out of these risks we do have to make 569 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:46,649 categories because in terms of if I go 570 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:49,850 to a critical infrastructure I need to 571 00:26:46,649 --> 00:26:52,590 know what the categories could be that 572 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:54,178 tell me potentially a threat to my 573 00:26:52,590 --> 00:26:55,879 critical infrastructure like for 574 00:26:54,179 --> 00:26:59,549 instance I told you the utilities 575 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:02,610 European white power distribution if 576 00:26:59,549 --> 00:27:05,158 great is going down then we have a 577 00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:07,469 problem not only in Switzerland it's a 578 00:27:05,159 --> 00:27:10,379 major problem and if you know how 579 00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:13,049 difficult it is to recover from a black 580 00:27:10,379 --> 00:27:15,090 start and you even having a black start 581 00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:18,090 capability black start means you have a 582 00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:20,879 complete blackout in a country and then 583 00:27:18,090 --> 00:27:23,570 for instance that's not classified also 584 00:27:20,879 --> 00:27:26,248 in Switzerland they are only ten 585 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:29,668 facilities available who can start 586 00:27:26,249 --> 00:27:33,169 themselves without power everything else 587 00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:35,519 needs power to restart themselves and 588 00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:38,070 that's quite interesting so it's very 589 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:42,570 hard to recover from a from a blackout 590 00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:44,879 then you have to do a black start so we 591 00:27:42,570 --> 00:27:47,249 have here the categories the payload I 592 00:27:44,879 --> 00:27:49,619 will show you more about that one signal 593 00:27:47,249 --> 00:27:51,869 hacking is a whole category of threats 594 00:27:49,619 --> 00:27:55,559 we have with the drone privacy intrusion 595 00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:57,539 of course we hack we hack building 596 00:27:55,559 --> 00:28:00,019 management systems for instance we have 597 00:27:57,539 --> 00:28:02,309 easier access to them we attack 598 00:28:00,019 --> 00:28:04,830 communication masked we have six 599 00:28:02,309 --> 00:28:06,600 thousand of them in Switzerland inside 600 00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:09,178 the threat working together exchanging 601 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:12,029 information intrusion trespassing video 602 00:28:09,179 --> 00:28:14,960 is a civil disobedience if you know for 603 00:28:12,029 --> 00:28:17,220 instance you have demonstrations and the 604 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,739 demonstrators themselves are using 605 00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:23,399 drones to make pictures which could be 606 00:28:19,739 --> 00:28:25,529 problematic later on kinetic attacks the 607 00:28:23,399 --> 00:28:29,219 drone itself as a weapon as I told you 608 00:28:25,529 --> 00:28:33,659 hundred 80 km/h that makes a big dent in 609 00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:35,220 your car and in your head too also there 610 00:28:33,659 --> 00:28:38,249 are people flying their drones into 611 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:40,980 gaseous or people who were chasing 612 00:28:38,249 --> 00:28:44,580 animals with the drones so they know 613 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:46,859 damaging wildlife and also plant for 614 00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:49,649 instance surveillance of course you can 615 00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:52,019 survey with it it's a espionage tool and 616 00:28:49,649 --> 00:28:55,428 economic attacks economic attacks is 617 00:28:52,019 --> 00:28:58,529 more around that you find resources 618 00:28:55,429 --> 00:29:00,950 police for instance with drones which 619 00:28:58,529 --> 00:29:03,590 are very cheap so you generate a 620 00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:07,710 disproportionate response to one drone 621 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:11,100 you know one $200 drone if I send maybe 622 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:13,110 here in Paris it's a bad example there's 623 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:16,080 high security here but if you send up 624 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:18,979 a hundred drones you will have a hundred 625 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,510 incidents where in some way or form 626 00:29:18,980 --> 00:29:24,420 people have to response to this 100 627 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:28,410 incidents of course so that's this kind 628 00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:31,980 of economic attack I'm alluding to then 629 00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:34,770 as a subcategory it's more in the AC 630 00:29:31,980 --> 00:29:37,590 laboratory where for instance it's an 631 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:39,480 loss involved in the u.k poisoning case 632 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:40,559 for them it's different I speak this 633 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,230 type of language 634 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:45,000 it's the CBRNE threat and they're 635 00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:47,220 particularly interested what you can do 636 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,080 with drones based on that one I will 637 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:51,330 show you that later as well of course 638 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,370 you have payload with the drone 639 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:56,040 depending on the drone you can add up to 640 00:29:53,370 --> 00:30:00,030 a kilogram very easily if the drone gets 641 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:04,559 bigger for 10 kilos also very easy in 642 00:30:00,030 --> 00:30:07,230 terms of explosive 10 kilo is humongous 643 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:10,520 in terms of explosive hundred grams that 644 00:30:07,230 --> 00:30:13,880 to anagram is very very much it's a lot 645 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:18,110 you can blow up of course biological 646 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:20,100 radiological nuclear and biometrics 647 00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:24,570 narcotics and explosives for 648 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:26,549 transporting or dropping then the 649 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:29,100 countermeasures what can you actually do 650 00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:32,070 against it we spend a lot of time there 651 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:34,230 but what can you do there is active and 652 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:36,210 there's passive of course with all these 653 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:38,490 things missile that I will be 654 00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:40,080 disproportionate response works 655 00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:42,510 perfectly well is hundred percent 656 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:46,350 accurate it's a bit expensive 1.5 657 00:30:42,510 --> 00:30:49,620 million and we have collateral damage so 658 00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:51,809 it's more something for the military the 659 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:54,030 other ones work as well birds from 660 00:30:51,809 --> 00:30:56,100 started first with that one we have it 661 00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:57,600 now in Geneva seems to coming like from 662 00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:00,840 the french-speaking area these birds 663 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,659 after a while they have enough you know 664 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,299 you cannot train them to catch 50 drones 665 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:08,820 a day it's a nice way of catching them 666 00:31:06,299 --> 00:31:10,980 and it's psychological but it's not very 667 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:13,230 efficient and to be honest in a stadium 668 00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:15,929 in a sports stadium if you have to have 669 00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:18,480 20 Birds you have to feed them you need 670 00:31:15,929 --> 00:31:21,240 like an animal keeper so it's good and 671 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,990 you see also with that one as defense 672 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,000 it's it topic is not very far if you're 673 00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:30,350 looking at birds for defense 674 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:32,760 but it's cool EMP of course 675 00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:34,679 electromagnetic impulse projectiles I 676 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,710 don't have included anything of that 677 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,070 sort of ballistic sort but I can make it 678 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:41,700 short you cannot shoot it down you will 679 00:31:41,070 --> 00:31:44,939 hate it 680 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:46,920 the drone no problem up to 900 yards 681 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:49,710 easily even my daughter would hit it 682 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,230 it's a small target but the problem is 683 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:54,090 the collateral damage around it because 684 00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:56,070 it's so small and the energy of bullets 685 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:58,620 are so high they will penetrate the 686 00:31:56,070 --> 00:32:00,600 drone won't fly but the bullet lines in 687 00:31:58,620 --> 00:32:03,149 the next building or the bullet just 688 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,129 overshoots and goes there yeah you can 689 00:32:03,150 --> 00:32:07,080 maybe use rubber bullets but it's not 690 00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:10,770 really a defense technology and 691 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,899 efficient one then you have payload you 692 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:15,090 drop something yourself on the drone you 693 00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:18,330 can try to hack into the communication 694 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:20,220 between the remote control and draw if 695 00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:22,470 it's a remote control and all I told you 696 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:24,240 before it's going out the mobile network 697 00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:27,360 for instance or if it's just programmed 698 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,870 with waypoints chiming that's actually 699 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,629 perfect but it's regulated by the FCC 700 00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:35,939 and only police can do it in certain 701 00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:38,790 cases the military so in the wars at the 702 00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:40,920 west there were three teams with 703 00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:43,370 different jamming technology looks like 704 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,010 a rifle but it sends out signals 705 00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:48,959 broadband or just targeted to the 706 00:32:47,010 --> 00:32:51,870 communication band of the drone and 707 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:54,240 we'll take it down it's nice but it's 708 00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:55,889 not allowed for civilians it's not 709 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440 allowed for a critical infrastructure 710 00:32:55,890 --> 00:33:01,440 operator for a nuclear plant or whatever 711 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,240 you have geofencing is built-in in some 712 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,340 of the drones some of the drones can't 713 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,900 start if they are within a certain area 714 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:09,449 of an airport but you can take that out 715 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:12,180 there's a lot of catching around with 716 00:33:09,450 --> 00:33:14,310 Nets drones flying around with a net or 717 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:17,880 we have little guns shooting up a net 718 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:20,250 there's distance is a bit a problem it 719 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,170 works up to 50 meters maybe or a bit 720 00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:27,930 more but to be honest what we say before 721 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:28,820 180 km/h and you want to shoot a net 722 00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:32,310 edit 723 00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:35,280 you might try doesn't work no-fly zones 724 00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:38,040 is more of an administrative measure and 725 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,928 shoppers as a drone defense system 726 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,889 linked with building management has been 727 00:33:39,929 --> 00:33:44,520 done 728 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:46,620 more in the Arabian area so when a drone 729 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,750 approaches it close at least the 730 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:52,080 shortest of your building so you have no 731 00:33:48,750 --> 00:33:54,120 sight into the rooms for instance and of 732 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,280 course you can always use coalition 733 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,709 that's maybe something you could use as 734 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,980 a private one as well within certain 735 00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:05,940 areas that you just use a kamikaze drone 736 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:08,490 and get the other one down out of this 737 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:10,710 we built the threat radar radar is more 738 00:34:08,489 --> 00:34:13,290 of a consulting management tool where 739 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:15,570 you actually place those risks that's 740 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:16,110 the one you can use trade off like here 741 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,380 it is 742 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:21,389 you have drone threats the development 743 00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:23,010 of those threats how they will develop 744 00:34:21,389 --> 00:34:25,679 in the future if it's a topic you need 745 00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:29,010 to look into that quickly or if it's a 746 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:32,159 topic you can look later at it it's risk 747 00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:34,200 over time the threat radar is general 748 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:38,040 and usually you build one of those 749 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:41,668 either for an event like a big festival 750 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:44,340 or movie festival or so or you can build 751 00:34:41,668 --> 00:34:46,500 a threat radar for a location the 752 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:48,300 critical infrastructure location what we 753 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:51,000 did we took a critical infrastructure 754 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:55,350 and made this assessment based on the 755 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:58,530 risk is so poor but I will show you some 756 00:34:55,350 --> 00:35:04,140 payload examples what I told you before 757 00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:06,870 we do test its our test fight drone he 758 00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:09,920 used to say that phantom 2 Vision+ or 759 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:13,890 you kind of was in some sort 760 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,230 also there's remote dropping capability 761 00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:17,940 with this device attached to it but also 762 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:20,310 there are the devices you can just drop 763 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:23,370 they just pull a pin and you can hang on 764 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:26,130 there whatever you want if you work in a 765 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:28,200 more in direction of anti-terror or 766 00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:30,510 national security that you have to pay 767 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,890 special attention to this type of drone 768 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:37,440 not that one up here but to this type 769 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:39,569 phantom 2 Vision+ and that's because of 770 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,330 the flight control software it's the one 771 00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:45,090 that gets most easily hacked so if you 772 00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:47,009 have like excessive buying of that drone 773 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:49,620 it would either be me 774 00:35:47,010 --> 00:35:50,910 testing the stuff or would be someone 775 00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:53,319 else which has maybe not that good 776 00:35:50,910 --> 00:35:56,140 intentions 777 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,090 then payload here is more payload a 778 00:35:56,140 --> 00:36:00,129 couple of examples 779 00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:02,380 you can't transport just about anything 780 00:36:00,130 --> 00:36:05,320 you want on the left there is a bit of 781 00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:06,820 chemicals you can use I also tested how 782 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,150 they dispersed in the air how does it 783 00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:12,580 look like I'm a beekeeper and there are 784 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:15,970 some fantastic chemicals available for 785 00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:20,470 the bees so and all that stuff is so 786 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:24,580 easily available but let's have a little 787 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:26,740 look let's go to the next one so I 788 00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:28,180 brought you a little video since I 789 00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:29,850 didn't thought it was appropriate to 790 00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:33,750 bring the drone in here 791 00:36:29,850 --> 00:36:36,850 that's the one with the payload device 792 00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:39,850 here is just some pictures of the flight 793 00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:42,190 it's easily also from a skill level that 794 00:36:39,850 --> 00:36:44,339 drone anyone in here can fly it it's not 795 00:36:42,190 --> 00:36:44,340 a problem 796 00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:52,150 very easy stabilized here is some 797 00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:53,770 example of memory stick dumping as I 798 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:55,900 told you before it's so much better to 799 00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:58,720 dump a stick somewhere inside the 800 00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:00,790 perimeter and outside very easy really 801 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:03,100 release mechanism is a remote control 802 00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:05,020 it's just a bubble most difficult part 803 00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:07,270 here was actually tried to film and fly 804 00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:11,020 at the same time since I don't had a 805 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:13,600 crew with me here is was that one yeah I 806 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:16,000 was just dropping a little chalk and see 807 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,390 how it's how it works and looking at the 808 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,940 height for dropping it there's other 809 00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:23,950 examples that's a nice little concrete 810 00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:27,100 block because I was just doing some 811 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:29,589 construction work at home it's about 90 812 00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:32,200 grams and if you have some physicists 813 00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:34,960 they can just actually calculate that 814 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,290 what I would mean if it drops on your 815 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:42,580 head it hurts that's what I can say then 816 00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:45,550 anything put on balloons flowers washing 817 00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:48,160 powder rice whatever was available but 818 00:37:45,550 --> 00:37:50,890 it was just also to see how it how it 819 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:54,460 works and how accurate you can be with 820 00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:56,109 that one and dropping payload at the 821 00:37:54,460 --> 00:38:00,820 beginning and mine flying is not a 822 00:37:56,110 --> 00:38:04,030 problem at all and accuracy is also very 823 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:06,610 really easy that one was just used to 824 00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:07,210 try to extinguish the fire it didn't 825 00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:09,070 work 826 00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:10,990 maybe it just blew up to fire more 827 00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:16,360 because it was flour you heard of that 828 00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:19,839 main explosion and that was my my use 829 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:23,950 case for dropping biological or chemical 830 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:25,990 agents very easy also to the draft of 831 00:38:23,950 --> 00:38:30,040 the rotor blades it gets pushed down so 832 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:31,779 and I intentionally also only used 833 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,330 what's what's available in a normal 834 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:37,480 household you know I don't want to go 835 00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:39,850 and buy some specific equipment for that 836 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,180 except a little bomb device you saw but 837 00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:45,400 the rest gives you a feeling of what's 838 00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:46,660 possible what could come to you and 839 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,120 there what could be one of the problems 840 00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:51,670 you have so I need to speed up otherwise 841 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,319 I get wrestled down from the stage let's 842 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:58,330 go quickly through here that's the bomb 843 00:38:53,320 --> 00:39:02,740 ten yeah I got up higher and higher and 844 00:38:58,330 --> 00:39:07,509 higher I actually was a bit close to the 845 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:10,509 cars since I tested at home but that one 846 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:22,330 just flies perfectly stable and did the 847 00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:24,460 job it's supposed to do and also since I 848 00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:26,799 was close to home I didn't use any 849 00:39:24,460 --> 00:39:28,240 explosives otherwise probably my house 850 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,700 would be standing anymore 851 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:33,100 you used to get rekt away when you do 852 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:35,669 testing like that you forget your 853 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,670 environment 854 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:44,750 so let's go ahead here's another one you 855 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,970 need to consider it's a primary and 856 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:48,950 secondary effect of thrown and what you 857 00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:51,279 can do with the drone it's not just that 858 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:53,990 you do some damages with it but also 859 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,970 people's reactions to it if you go at a 860 00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:57,828 certain place populated places like 861 00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:59,899 stadium etc do you drop some of this 862 00:39:57,829 --> 00:40:02,599 what I'll show you just before people 863 00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:04,549 maybe get panicked and it's not even a 864 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:07,490 threat based on the drone it's what we 865 00:40:04,549 --> 00:40:14,630 call a secondary effect of the drone so 866 00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:17,839 keep that in mind too here I go quickly 867 00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:20,119 through the methods we have seen for the 868 00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:23,450 assessment we assess them against 869 00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:27,140 criterias like cost legality public 870 00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:28,939 acceptance effectiveness mister is quite 871 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:31,520 effective but is publicly not really 872 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:33,740 accepted in the city so we made this 873 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,190 whole table for you and you see which 874 00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:39,799 are the favorites which got the most 875 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:41,540 points obviously but the bonds which got 876 00:40:39,799 --> 00:40:43,880 the most points like chairman hooping 877 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:46,670 eyes the drone wins the drone is jammed 878 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,819 it usually goes home or it just goes 879 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:51,619 down it doesn't drop or something but 880 00:40:49,819 --> 00:40:53,540 you can't do that except if you're 881 00:40:51,619 --> 00:40:56,119 police so you need to look for other 882 00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:58,849 ways the MP will be nice too it's a bit 883 00:40:56,119 --> 00:41:01,309 difficult and not everyone has birds so 884 00:40:58,849 --> 00:41:04,280 what you're left with is basically this 885 00:41:01,309 --> 00:41:05,839 side the shutter and do fencing and most 886 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,869 of the solution you see are in the area 887 00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:13,730 of cyber drone defense solutions so they 888 00:41:08,869 --> 00:41:18,349 detect so you can also then try to get 889 00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:20,240 the perpetrator flying the drone drone 890 00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:23,270 detection is no different here are 891 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:25,879 pictures from our office in Zurich and 892 00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:28,849 burn we use strong defense technology 893 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,010 actually got one step further we used a 894 00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:33,410 OT gateways put the software and the 895 00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:36,829 drone defense sensors in the cloud and 896 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:39,170 then we could use we could monitor two 897 00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:42,440 sensors that complete separate locations 898 00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:44,180 in basically in one software and see 899 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,510 what's going on at this location that 900 00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:49,669 was kind of the CEOs office there it 901 00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:52,309 just hijacked it so that's how a report 902 00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:52,970 looks like a detection log shows in a 903 00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:56,090 drone 904 00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:59,299 where it is how long fly time was what 905 00:41:56,090 --> 00:42:01,220 type of protocol or tin hat is there's 906 00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:02,990 also another protocol available where 907 00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:05,569 you can actually see the digital 908 00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:08,689 fingerprint of drone for later so you 909 00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:10,790 see one demonstrator or civil 910 00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:13,070 disobedience happening in one city if 911 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:14,900 that guy reappears in another city you 912 00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:15,349 know it's the same drone maybe it's not 913 00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:17,810 a guy 914 00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:20,780 maybe it's girl here with the manual 915 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:23,630 forensics well no-fly zones this photo 916 00:42:20,780 --> 00:42:25,550 was publicly available from the angle 917 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:27,200 and so on we suspected it was a picture 918 00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:29,720 taken by a drone where it shouldn't be 919 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,109 taken because this person is looking up 920 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:36,200 and from the angle we looked at then at 921 00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:38,420 the location where the photo was taken 922 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,970 either it had to be taken there's one of 923 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:43,280 this laser beam ease from up here which 924 00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:46,009 was unlikely or then what we suspect 925 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,619 that has been taken by a drone and the 926 00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:50,750 only thing for me left was I wouldn't 927 00:42:48,619 --> 00:42:53,119 need to have two drone so I could look 928 00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:54,800 at the picture and EXIF them and see if 929 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:56,560 it really was taken there but that was 930 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,599 that was more like you know a test 931 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,730 because I don't care about some 932 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,420 journalists taking pictures of of 933 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:08,780 demonstrations then testing is dangerous 934 00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:10,369 that was my car I was lucky 935 00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:14,599 it would be more dangerous he would be 936 00:43:10,369 --> 00:43:18,170 my wife's and expensive you need props 937 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:19,730 in it drones etc here actually there on 938 00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:21,650 a car are two windows you know at the 939 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:24,260 back at this was the window at the back 940 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:26,330 so and one is with antenna and one 941 00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:28,910 without antenna guess which one I hit 942 00:43:26,330 --> 00:43:31,609 the one with antennae of course was 943 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:34,190 around 300 bucks to replace it and 944 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:35,960 embarrassing so beware you may talk away 945 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:37,430 about the next picture but if you have 946 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,790 seen Game of Thrones it's not a problem 947 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:44,390 for you fish kills and the recent sting 948 00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:46,700 as a typical drone injury and it looks 949 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:49,970 like that pictures only black and white 950 00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:52,549 but that's the racing drol this one only 951 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:55,910 flies about 140 kilometres per hour you 952 00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:58,280 flight fpv with the camera but that plot 953 00:43:55,910 --> 00:44:01,730 II bunker hit me bad I was flying 954 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,800 testing of course and struggling falling 955 00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:05,119 backwards and then I stepped on a stone 956 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,299 I thought oh yeah that was from the 957 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,229 stone and then looked at it 958 00:44:06,299 --> 00:44:13,170 and it was actually this props hit me so 959 00:44:10,229 --> 00:44:13,589 don't underestimate what props can do to 960 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:16,199 you 961 00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:19,589 they cut pretty bad so I was hoping 962 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:24,749 safety of course since I'm a safety 963 00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:26,939 conscious person never ever do this 964 00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:29,308 we had drones landing on our data 965 00:44:26,939 --> 00:44:31,618 centers no one knew where they came from 966 00:44:29,309 --> 00:44:34,229 no one knew what they were doing they're 967 00:44:31,619 --> 00:44:35,670 just on top of the data centers if they 968 00:44:34,229 --> 00:44:38,339 were just curious we couldn't also not 969 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:40,829 identify the persons flying them because 970 00:44:38,339 --> 00:44:43,319 there is no registration it's not 971 00:44:40,829 --> 00:44:45,359 mandatory it's not compulsory now so 972 00:44:43,319 --> 00:44:49,709 never ever touch these things you have 973 00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:53,098 to disconnect or use a towel just throw 974 00:44:49,709 --> 00:44:55,799 a towel over it and or use some very 975 00:44:53,099 --> 00:44:57,140 good gloves and you saw the cops gone 976 00:44:55,799 --> 00:45:00,839 before I'm not hitting you 977 00:44:57,140 --> 00:45:03,259 that thing will cut off your finger so 978 00:45:00,839 --> 00:45:05,130 now I have a little movie for that and 979 00:45:03,259 --> 00:45:09,150 if you please play it 980 00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:13,229 think about quickly about four questions 981 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:14,069 I have four little drones for you for 982 00:45:13,229 --> 00:45:16,919 each question 983 00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:19,859 I actually had five I tested with the 984 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:23,729 fifth one but they're not really how you 985 00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:25,319 sell they're not really dangerous so I 986 00:45:23,729 --> 00:45:28,078 can give them away before they collect 987 00:45:25,319 --> 00:45:32,759 more dust except if you swallow them 988 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:35,609 then there may be dangerous so here's a 989 00:45:32,759 --> 00:45:38,400 little test just to remind you the drone 990 00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:43,499 just itself or the threat it poses to 991 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:46,019 you there was a shooter like him at home 992 00:45:43,499 --> 00:45:48,319 and I told my wife I will help you with 993 00:45:46,019 --> 00:45:48,319 that one 994 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:57,890 because after that I cut myself I was 995 00:45:55,550 --> 00:46:02,320 really curious for particular problems 996 00:45:57,890 --> 00:46:02,319 you have and what can be done against it 997 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:08,599 you will see that when we both drones so 998 00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:11,390 since I'm running out of time and before 999 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:12,980 I get wrestled down does someone have a 1000 00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:16,368 question right now you can still enjoy 1001 00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:23,900 watching watching the video maybe we 1002 00:46:16,369 --> 00:46:26,980 need a mic or you can just tell me yes 1003 00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:26,980 you please it then maybe you 1004 00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:54,240 yeah the noise noise that's the one you 1005 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:56,490 hear it depends on the drone and I'm far 1006 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,919 away it is but also let's say for the 1007 00:46:56,490 --> 00:47:01,500 DJI maverick pro the noise reduction 1008 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:05,250 propellers and they're really loud noise 1009 00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:08,550 I think about five decibels and those 1010 00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:11,040 ones are not really new that especially 1011 00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:12,480 in a city you won't hear it and then if 1012 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,270 you really want to use it as a spy tool 1013 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,980 you actually drop it somewhere you drone 1014 00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:18,450 and then you let it stand there and 1015 00:47:16,980 --> 00:47:25,290 stand by and use the camera and the 1016 00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:35,490 microphones I guess so you have to 1017 00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:39,360 question you think you have you released 1018 00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:44,069 some tests about the GPS or GSM - - I 1019 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:48,570 track her drone or to - to make to make 1020 00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:50,580 it to land land yeah that's some of the 1021 00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:53,280 drone defense solution sensors are using 1022 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:55,610 that they try to imply a patch it's not 1023 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,350 like a root patch but also they try to 1024 00:47:55,610 --> 00:48:01,290 send the drone a very short snaking with 1025 00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:04,049 the offset basically and you have a very 1026 00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:05,880 short time frame where usually you when 1027 00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:07,950 you're sending signals about GPS it's 1028 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,080 much stronger here on earth than the the 1029 00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:12,750 signals from the sky and then you have a 1030 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,600 small window of opportunity where you 1031 00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:18,660 can actually try to hijack these signals 1032 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,120 change them and so maneuver the drone to 1033 00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:23,759 another place that's what some Israeli 1034 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,950 sensor technologies are doing right now 1035 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:34,230 we will test them next week I can tell 1036 00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:37,620 you the results hello yeah okay thank 1037 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:41,970 you for your talk about the wrong 1038 00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:47,520 detection you showed us detection based 1039 00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:52,830 on radio radio detection from your 1040 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:57,420 office yeah yeah I understand it your 1041 00:48:52,830 --> 00:49:00,900 new works with remote controlled drones 1042 00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:04,839 what about for you to make 1043 00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:09,390 autonomous run have you studied some 1044 00:49:04,839 --> 00:49:17,729 other method method of detection like 1045 00:49:09,390 --> 00:49:17,729 the gradual I would say it's 1046 00:49:17,849 --> 00:49:24,579 electronical emission sound detection 1047 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,019 something exists yes some of the 1048 00:49:24,579 --> 00:49:28,539 solution have sound detection as well 1049 00:49:26,019 --> 00:49:30,339 problem is strong defense sensors just 1050 00:49:28,539 --> 00:49:32,680 listening to point four and five point 1051 00:49:30,339 --> 00:49:36,119 eight gigahertz yes so if you have other 1052 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,799 drones flying or with old let's say 1053 00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:40,210 flying technology or not the quartz you 1054 00:49:38,799 --> 00:49:42,880 wouldn't see them or also if they fly 1055 00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:45,519 waypoints so there is with one of the 1056 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,799 sensors manufacturers you have a 1057 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,229 microphone and the camera so you take 1058 00:49:47,799 --> 00:49:52,499 them visually anti sound as well to get 1059 00:49:50,229 --> 00:49:57,129 those ones and how far can you detect 1060 00:49:52,499 --> 00:50:16,229 how far one to two kilometers depends in 1061 00:49:57,130 --> 00:50:19,630 the city it's a bit less thank you yeah 1062 00:50:16,229 --> 00:50:21,489 okay then thank you very much for mu I'm 1063 00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:24,940 here the next two days so please grab me 1064 00:50:21,489 --> 00:50:27,320 before I'm gone and ask you questions 1065 00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:30,530 thank you very much 1066 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,530 [Applause]