thank you everyone it's great being back
in Paris I do actually love Paris it's a
fantastic place with a fantastic
audience actually I would say it's a
delicious audience if you know what I
mean it's actually what Michael said to
Malcolm Turnbull's wife in Australia you
have a delicious wife lost in
translation but that was a great moment
they both speak in Australia I don't
know if people speak here the videos
disappeared on YouTube and the topic
God's forgotten so today I will talk
about drones a topic I've worked on
let's say for a year and over the past
year developing methodology and
developing threats threat modeling etc
so I have a lot of content I wanted to
share so it goes fast
so switch to 64-bit and we will be fine
I guess
just something about me there's not much
to say
I have titles and letters and acronyms
but that doesn't help you at all so I
will just go with that
I'm usually involved in everything
that's information security not just IT
security for that matter and usually if
it's very expensive or very important
it's my turn we will talk about drones
today from the drones themselves and
generally the work I do is usually I'm
in the area of danger I'm not so much
involved of the positive side of the
drones like delivering medication
delivering blood samples dropping
packets for human disaster relief etc
that's all fine but I am on the dark
side of the drones I'm talking about
defense I talking about attacks I'm
talking about threats etc so that you
just a little bit understand this it's
like with the glass half full or half
empty my glass is broken on the floor
everything is built a person is coming
and sleeping and is suing you so that's
view of the world here we have in the
topic of drones and the ally urge you
not to forget we have two type of drones
we have two cooperative drones the nice
ones the pilots that stay to the
restrictions the drones that on live and
they shouldn't fly and everyone is
looking after themselves and it's
happily ever if you would have more
drone pilots like this
it's like similar in the IT world we
wouldn't need firewalls and antivirus
because the people who pee so brave but
there's the other side my side
the non-cooperative drones and usually
when you talk about drones or the topic
of drones it's a I will tell you later
very typically typically get involved in
that is smart cities critical
infrastructure etc you will have two non
cooperative drones and it's similarly
hard to explain to people what you have
to do what you have to stand up against
for how you have to build your security
posture against this type of drones or
it's not just the drones against this
type of let's say drone attacks my frame
of mind
I quickly highlighted that one in this
bit or in the last year so which have
been involved with the drone topics I'm
playing defense
la la blue like on the World
Championship here like blue team you can
say in this way but also I believe need
to develop some red team or attack
capabilities in order to be a good blue
team player you need to understand you
need to try to predict you need to be
pre-emptive about it and you need to
know what capabilities are out there
what are you self competing against what
can hit you so that you can actually
prepare an adequate defense usually if
you not just have money is not an issue
you can build anything you need to
justify what defense is you are built
and in this perspective the framework we
will later look at will help you because
you cannot use $50,000 for a drone
defense system if you the risky
protecting is very smaller than $50,000
for instance so that's where start I do
also have high goals for you here
actually I would like you to take a
couple of things with you and especially
what I really like is the year I worked
on this topic prepared materials risk
analysis did some testing developed some
basic KPIs around this topic that you
can take this further that you can take
this into your companies or that you can
start instead of the usual pen testing
you can start painting in the direction
of IOT in the direction of drones the
drone itself is just a representation of
what's coming in the future in the IT
world
it's like autonomous vehicles you will
have the same problems there for
instance one use case I usually bring to
the table is if Google Drive is bringing
me to the hospital you know I call they
bring me their emergency services I get
in then the car stops or for that matter
just any autonomous car it doesn't have
to be Google Drive what do you do as the
owner of the hospital how do you have to
pull the car away or not there's no
driver you can look for there is no one
there there is maybe not even GPS
reception at this location so what do
you do okay first you need to write
policies as usual paper but after the
paper need to do some action maybe there
you need to have new sensors or new
signals telling that's not a zone for
autonomous vehicles or self-driving cars
or robots for that matter so what you
will learn with the drones you can apply
to other areas in the future where I
believe is a lot of work involved for
everyone from technical to architectural
to
security how did I came about the topic
of drones or did the topic find actually
me the same will probably apply to you
so about a year ago we had a critical
infrastructure operator in the power
area utilities coming to us I worked by
the way for the largest Switzerland
telecommunication provider majority
government-owned so of course where does
the government come forward to us
critical infrastructure provider who was
looking for solution to protect his
infrastructure that was a start they
didn't know where to go where do we go
with this do we go to like the safety
people who build the fences is it the
cyber topic is it the general topic so
they came to us and I'm actually really
glad that was one of the starting points
for talking about drones and drone risks
then we had the e health provider
hospital Switzerland has become a bit of
a Silicon Valley for drones because we
have everything we have snow rain
mountains lakes high highly densely
populated areas
cities but it's mostly important as well
our legislation is not that strict like
in other places in other places it's
completely you know when they sometimes
bring out the new law it's totally over
the top until it gets corrected again we
didn't don't have to do this yet in
Switzerland so it's for startups quite
attractive to test but also we had
startups talking to us and me I mean
Texas is not the same as Switzerland in
the mountains so that's why they come to
Switzerland to test details provider was
actually we have now two of these
projects running they transporting blood
samples from one hospital to the other
over the air in a city populated area
it's very interesting so there is also a
point where you from a security
perspective have to swoop in and that's
when it's about patient data protection
so we have to at all times make sure
that the integrity of the data
concerning a patient needs to be half
integrity what's happening there is the
drones just transport these blood
samples from A to B with no additional
consideration we don't mean no
additional kpi's or audit points what
happens to these samples in the air has
not been questioned yet and the third
one was specifically the government
asked about drone capabilities in terms
of what can they do what threat they
pose etc so we worked that out also
clearly you can see what's happening
here is the topic is not quite clear
it's not quite sure where this topic
show should go and who should handle it
so it usually it falls between chairs
and banks or it gets taken on by someone
here give you actually the summary of
today that will be your worst enemy
innovation in this regard and you need
to prepare yourself to handle it we did
have a lot of talks to startups company
setting drones using drones industrial
drones fire brigade the police using it
etc but always where you struggle most
is innovation because you go there and
say yeah that's this in this risk it's a
populated area you could lose data it's
sensitive you know all these things it
could be hacked etc when I say yeah it's
new we want to be the first ones we need
to get this through and as usually with
security they just see you as a
roadblock
so either you become a big roadblock or
you need to find ways around this but I
will tell you if you get involved risk
security innovation will be along your
way and you have to deal with that one
especially here I can just tell you
there's a topic which is called
predictive maintenance
I don't know if you have heard of but
that's the holy grail of production
where you try to predict and then just
do maintenance based on that instead of
bringing your car in at 30,000
kilometers and at 60,000 kilometer
you will use predictive maintenance to
bring it maybe at 40,000 and then at
80,000 that's what's done with the f-16
fighter jet planes in the US and that
will be done to a lot of defense
vehicles I say so in the future why are
drones an InfoSec topic it's all about
data it's all about location where the
data is what you transport it's all
about the space and area so it's the
third time I mentioned it's just like
you build wings on a firewall and up in
the air it's the same thing so this is a
very very much infra sect Opik but also
think it's important for everyone to
realize it's like in soccer you need to
offer yourself you need to offer your
services for maybe pentesting IOT maybe
do some analysis of the drones maybe
look at the processes maybe writing
policies for drone transportation make
make sure that health care has been
included checking in with critical
infrastructure providers so it's for
both sides
you know the the operators or the drone
innovators don't know where to go but
also from an InfoSec perspective you
have to offer yourself because you have
a hope so after recession deeper
understanding about the topic and the
risks like in soccer offer yourself to
those company develop new services for
pentesting or develop the capabilities
for your critical infrastructure you may
operate in it's definitely an InfoSec
topic also definitely here we do this
anyway in Switzerland at the telco
provider physical security and
information or IT security has come
together so we have people which are in
the shops and we have let's say the
InfoSec guys who work together what's
happening there what is for instance
physical security in the shops we talk
about robbery
in the same meeting as InfoSec in terms
of switching off location services no
one can see that a repair centers are
and also these sorts of things
maybe you discover the same these worlds
are merging and I think with the new
technologies like drones autonomous
vehicles even more so so it's like a si
fish it's a new discipline
cyber-physical you see that in the area
of SCADA much better because SCADA is a
more of a direct impact in the physical
world as other components here will give
you some really basics about the drones
if you work with drones and a topic of
drones it's all about the lingo of the
dingoo you need to know what you're
talking about and just give you some
facts and maybe already things we
figured out is quite hard for people to
fathom so a drone 0 200 3 seconds it
beats every sports car in this regard
braking takes about 5 meters to stop
maximum speed and that's maybe changing
weekly is 185 kilometers it is not just
like this little lane white things you
see flying around there really fast
altitude it's also discussion you know
it's a here they don't fly that high
well there's a record of 3700 meters
with one of those ones it can have up to
45 minutes usually it's probably around
20 payload always a discussion up to a
person there was a person hanging on a
drone ok it was a bit bigger of course
and he was jumping with the parachute
then often the discussion is to reach
people talk in this in this risk
scenarios about reach they talk about
remote control and have this in mind
it's like a plane you steer with a
remote control and then yeah is it one
kilometer is it 2 kilometres but forget
discussion about distance I can be
sitting in Central Park with my phone
and I can fly a drone in Paris if
someone opens the box for me so there is
no discussion about in my mind of course
always there's no discussion about
distance and controlling a drone this is
long gone there's not maybe a pilot
standing or on the corner maybe there is
but forget from a risk perspective
distance distance is everywhere they you
go over the mobile network to fly a
drone from everywhere in the world
costs a couple of hundred to $20,000 a
specific one for instance with cameras
for the fire brigade infrared cameras
etc and also they're using navigation
systems like GPS for their positioning
some of them so we need to know a bit
about communication the area of
communication may be the frequency they
use signals aerodynamics and a bit of
physics then the regulation I put
together a slide for you social thought
has handouts for yourself take it home
and look at it there's a lot of like
regulation out there it's also changing
on a monthly basis everyone is going
towards the European regulation but
regulation never stopped crime you
always have to think about this one
it's cool regulation you have to follow
it look at it as a matter of fact you
have to build your own defense around
this topic here are the links for this
one and usually people are looking at
the police yeah that's right it would be
actually a police a police job if
there's a problem with privacy or
trespassing but you can call them they
might come when they are here your drone
is gone so there's no point in
emphasizing on this this is the map of
Paris your flight map I'm really sorry
for your guys it's all red no-fly zones
pretty boring but as I told you
regulation never stopped the crime very
well there's a map it's usually in all
the countries there's a map showing
where you can fly where you can't fly
with hate limits or weight limits for
that matter and they're just a couple of
spots in in Paris
I wonder how a hospital scenario would
work here in France but maybe then they
would just get exceptional for handling
such cases I guess the other side which
is really nice with these maps is it's
for open source intelligence there's a
lot of intelligence in those maps the
usual flight maps are one to three
hundred thousand the Eco maps where they
show you the air pathways and the
landing zone CPR zones where the
airports are but the drone maps are much
better because on the drone maps every
little Airport is there and you might
wonder I was looking in Switzerland you
see the military airport
you know usually it's a big drama around
them where are they and you can't tell
and they have secret names for them and
blah blah and then on the drone map you
see a red circle around them and well I
guess then you know where the stuff is I
looked a bit around Paris there's also
an interesting place just more up to the
east where there was a red circle in the
middle of nowhere I thought well let's
have a look at it first I was thinking
it's a cemetery usually its no-fly zones
or cemeteries but it wasn't it was just
an open field I was looking at it then
opened google maps places looked at
companies in this area and there was
some type of specific company doing some
kind of helicopter engines I mean I
would never have found that without
these nice drone restriction maps so
don't forget it's a good source a good
piece for open source intelligence topic
itself it's a hot topic but I say it
looks like it's actually fear
uncertainty and doubt it's a bit of a
circus it's a low maturity topic in
regards to what you can do against it in
regards to what the informations are out
there as I told you before it's an
innovation topic that makes it even a
bit more worse for risk people or people
have to protect themselves and it's a
start-up mentality so
if you work there they're everywhere
startups you will get in contact with
them they will tell you anything so it's
a bit like the age of gurus and prophets
in this regard and it's sometimes hard
to work in there I also did a bit of
start-up work in there with with one of
our product get involved it brilliant
people open mind it's dynamic
you know fresh new everything is better
which is coming and I tell you it
started I said yeah you can you upload
your risk map assessment for the
government who I don't know whatever
system this was called some online in
the cloud related canvas management tool
and then about a week later I got
another tool and say yeah look at this
one we had to start up and we created a
common working area with those ones in
the cloud I said hey guys time out
that's wrong no we're severe security
information security we are the guys who
make you know data classification and
stuff and this world here where
everything is open you find everything
all the information out there in clouds
and share points and canvasses it's a
world that collides with each other so
keep that in mind then this leads to
this why testing it's really from my
experience especially with new topics
with a lot of innovation with a lot of
startup do some testing because you
almost get promised everything so I
really need to look under the hood and
we did that we did commissioned some
drone defense systems at the beginning
they are fantastic and on paper they
look awesome but in real life it's a
different story and I can tell you here
right now none of these drone defense
systems were a hundred percent and for
the rest you need to think for yourself
what's acceptable as a risk that's left
or what's not acceptable some of these
system are based on different
technologies
some of the systems will detect Birds
for drones
some of them will detect and there's
actually a lot trucks with cooling
system and vents on their roofs or in
the in the cabin it's so it really
depends some systems are actually very
good at detecting some sort of drones
they can even stop them but they
completely miss the other ones so for
that matter it depends on the
criticality of your infrastructure or
your event or place really do do some
testing I can highly recommend that so
after all this we decided getting into
the topic for the last year this is the
first topic there is no much to go on on
this we need to create structure need to
create structure and method to assess
risk and do some effective testing on
what's working and what's really the
risk with these drones it's getting
hyped from I don't know people getting a
high checked or whatever with drones but
also we have to determine if it's a real
threat and also we have to come up with
like a model for actually getting the
money if you want to build defense no
one will just throw your money just
throw money at you and say build
something you need to build on a purpose
or you need to kind of match up while
you're building these type of things so
since there were no standard we start
doing at our own we first developed a
catalog what's out there what has been
reported what really has been a case in
drone then secondly we built after the
catalog the drone threat and
countermeasures categorize them and then
also we added like to the categories
themselves additional criterias to see
what's really feasible solutions for
drone detection but I will walk you
quickly through that one you get this as
handouts so I won't iterate on every bit
of it that's the thread catalog it
contains 140 items in there some of them
of you know the typical ones like
payload you know
they are also espionage industrial
espionage you can use it for that
carrying laser microphones you can also
do droppings it sounds a bit strange but
I actually use it more in this way for
social engineering because a memory
stick dropped inside a nuclear plant on
the parking lot is so much better than
dropping the memory stick outside that
facility if you as a person
going somewhere living somewhere you
enter these facilities you hand over
your phone blah blah your identification
card you go in there you usually never
look up you forget about this there is a
three meter high NATO fence with a three
meter divider where the docks are and
other fans in there and you feel somehow
inherently safe in there you feel I'm in
a protected facility yes you are in a
way but with drones you can't forget it
with the drone I mean the third
dimension I can drop anything anywhere
access point repeaters memory sticks
trackers etc whatever you like here for
some other risks like more into the IOT
hacking hacking of medical equipment of
persons which are relying because you
now can have access there you have
access to the rooftop apartment you have
access also to the rooftop apartment and
the art is there if someone has a very
expensive statue in his rooftop
apartment you can go and steal it with a
drone it's very easy you can go and
steal the phone's purse the dog whatever
you like so that's just a bit of the
drone risk from this one hundred and
forty risks we compiled together then
out of these risks we do have to make
categories because in terms of if I go
to a critical infrastructure I need to
know what the categories could be that
tell me potentially a threat to my
critical infrastructure like for
instance I told you the utilities
European white power distribution if
great is going down then we have a
problem not only in Switzerland it's a
major problem and if you know how
difficult it is to recover from a black
start and you even having a black start
capability black start means you have a
complete blackout in a country and then
for instance that's not classified also
in Switzerland they are only ten
facilities available who can start
themselves without power everything else
needs power to restart themselves and
that's quite interesting so it's very
hard to recover from a from a blackout
then you have to do a black start so we
have here the categories the payload I
will show you more about that one signal
hacking is a whole category of threats
we have with the drone privacy intrusion
of course we hack we hack building
management systems for instance we have
easier access to them we attack
communication masked we have six
thousand of them in Switzerland inside
the threat working together exchanging
information intrusion trespassing video
is a civil disobedience if you know for
instance you have demonstrations and the
demonstrators themselves are using
drones to make pictures which could be
problematic later on kinetic attacks the
drone itself as a weapon as I told you
hundred 80 km/h that makes a big dent in
your car and in your head too also there
are people flying their drones into
gaseous or people who were chasing
animals with the drones so they know
damaging wildlife and also plant for
instance surveillance of course you can
survey with it it's a espionage tool and
economic attacks economic attacks is
more around that you find resources
police for instance with drones which
are very cheap so you generate a
disproportionate response to one drone
you know one $200 drone if I send maybe
here in Paris it's a bad example there's
high security here but if you send up
a hundred drones you will have a hundred
incidents where in some way or form
people have to response to this 100
incidents of course so that's this kind
of economic attack I'm alluding to then
as a subcategory it's more in the AC
laboratory where for instance it's an
loss involved in the u.k poisoning case
for them it's different I speak this
type of language
it's the CBRNE threat and they're
particularly interested what you can do
with drones based on that one I will
show you that later as well of course
you have payload with the drone
depending on the drone you can add up to
a kilogram very easily if the drone gets
bigger for 10 kilos also very easy in
terms of explosive 10 kilo is humongous
in terms of explosive hundred grams that
to anagram is very very much it's a lot
you can blow up of course biological
radiological nuclear and biometrics
narcotics and explosives for
transporting or dropping then the
countermeasures what can you actually do
against it we spend a lot of time there
but what can you do there is active and
there's passive of course with all these
things missile that I will be
disproportionate response works
perfectly well is hundred percent
accurate it's a bit expensive 1.5
million and we have collateral damage so
it's more something for the military the
other ones work as well birds from
started first with that one we have it
now in Geneva seems to coming like from
the french-speaking area these birds
after a while they have enough you know
you cannot train them to catch 50 drones
a day it's a nice way of catching them
and it's psychological but it's not very
efficient and to be honest in a stadium
in a sports stadium if you have to have
20 Birds you have to feed them you need
like an animal keeper so it's good and
you see also with that one as defense
it's it topic is not very far if you're
looking at birds for defense
but it's cool EMP of course
electromagnetic impulse projectiles I
don't have included anything of that
sort of ballistic sort but I can make it
short you cannot shoot it down you will
hate it
the drone no problem up to 900 yards
easily even my daughter would hit it
it's a small target but the problem is
the collateral damage around it because
it's so small and the energy of bullets
are so high they will penetrate the
drone won't fly but the bullet lines in
the next building or the bullet just
overshoots and goes there yeah you can
maybe use rubber bullets but it's not
really a defense technology and
efficient one then you have payload you
drop something yourself on the drone you
can try to hack into the communication
between the remote control and draw if
it's a remote control and all I told you
before it's going out the mobile network
for instance or if it's just programmed
with waypoints chiming that's actually
perfect but it's regulated by the FCC
and only police can do it in certain
cases the military so in the wars at the
west there were three teams with
different jamming technology looks like
a rifle but it sends out signals
broadband or just targeted to the
communication band of the drone and
we'll take it down it's nice but it's
not allowed for civilians it's not
allowed for a critical infrastructure
operator for a nuclear plant or whatever
you have geofencing is built-in in some
of the drones some of the drones can't
start if they are within a certain area
of an airport but you can take that out
there's a lot of catching around with
Nets drones flying around with a net or
we have little guns shooting up a net
there's distance is a bit a problem it
works up to 50 meters maybe or a bit
more but to be honest what we say before
180 km/h and you want to shoot a net
edit
you might try doesn't work no-fly zones
is more of an administrative measure and
shoppers as a drone defense system
linked with building management has been
done
more in the Arabian area so when a drone
approaches it close at least the
shortest of your building so you have no
sight into the rooms for instance and of
course you can always use coalition
that's maybe something you could use as
a private one as well within certain
areas that you just use a kamikaze drone
and get the other one down out of this
we built the threat radar radar is more
of a consulting management tool where
you actually place those risks that's
the one you can use trade off like here
it is
you have drone threats the development
of those threats how they will develop
in the future if it's a topic you need
to look into that quickly or if it's a
topic you can look later at it it's risk
over time the threat radar is general
and usually you build one of those
either for an event like a big festival
or movie festival or so or you can build
a threat radar for a location the
critical infrastructure location what we
did we took a critical infrastructure
and made this assessment based on the
risk is so poor but I will show you some
payload examples what I told you before
we do test its our test fight drone he
used to say that phantom 2 Vision+ or
you kind of was in some sort
also there's remote dropping capability
with this device attached to it but also
there are the devices you can just drop
they just pull a pin and you can hang on
there whatever you want if you work in a
more in direction of anti-terror or
national security that you have to pay
special attention to this type of drone
not that one up here but to this type
phantom 2 Vision+ and that's because of
the flight control software it's the one
that gets most easily hacked so if you
have like excessive buying of that drone
it would either be me
testing the stuff or would be someone
else which has maybe not that good
intentions
then payload here is more payload a
couple of examples
you can't transport just about anything
you want on the left there is a bit of
chemicals you can use I also tested how
they dispersed in the air how does it
look like I'm a beekeeper and there are
some fantastic chemicals available for
the bees so and all that stuff is so
easily available but let's have a little
look let's go to the next one so I
brought you a little video since I
didn't thought it was appropriate to
bring the drone in here
that's the one with the payload device
here is just some pictures of the flight
it's easily also from a skill level that
drone anyone in here can fly it it's not
a problem
very easy stabilized here is some
example of memory stick dumping as I
told you before it's so much better to
dump a stick somewhere inside the
perimeter and outside very easy really
release mechanism is a remote control
it's just a bubble most difficult part
here was actually tried to film and fly
at the same time since I don't had a
crew with me here is was that one yeah I
was just dropping a little chalk and see
how it's how it works and looking at the
height for dropping it there's other
examples that's a nice little concrete
block because I was just doing some
construction work at home it's about 90
grams and if you have some physicists
they can just actually calculate that
what I would mean if it drops on your
head it hurts that's what I can say then
anything put on balloons flowers washing
powder rice whatever was available but
it was just also to see how it how it
works and how accurate you can be with
that one and dropping payload at the
beginning and mine flying is not a
problem at all and accuracy is also very
really easy that one was just used to
try to extinguish the fire it didn't
work
maybe it just blew up to fire more
because it was flour you heard of that
main explosion and that was my my use
case for dropping biological or chemical
agents very easy also to the draft of
the rotor blades it gets pushed down so
and I intentionally also only used
what's what's available in a normal
household you know I don't want to go
and buy some specific equipment for that
except a little bomb device you saw but
the rest gives you a feeling of what's
possible what could come to you and
there what could be one of the problems
you have so I need to speed up otherwise
I get wrestled down from the stage let's
go quickly through here that's the bomb
ten yeah I got up higher and higher and
higher I actually was a bit close to the
cars since I tested at home but that one
just flies perfectly stable and did the
job it's supposed to do and also since I
was close to home I didn't use any
explosives otherwise probably my house
would be standing anymore
you used to get rekt away when you do
testing like that you forget your
environment
so let's go ahead here's another one you
need to consider it's a primary and
secondary effect of thrown and what you
can do with the drone it's not just that
you do some damages with it but also
people's reactions to it if you go at a
certain place populated places like
stadium etc do you drop some of this
what I'll show you just before people
maybe get panicked and it's not even a
threat based on the drone it's what we
call a secondary effect of the drone so
keep that in mind too here I go quickly
through the methods we have seen for the
assessment we assess them against
criterias like cost legality public
acceptance effectiveness mister is quite
effective but is publicly not really
accepted in the city so we made this
whole table for you and you see which
are the favorites which got the most
points obviously but the bonds which got
the most points like chairman hooping
eyes the drone wins the drone is jammed
it usually goes home or it just goes
down it doesn't drop or something but
you can't do that except if you're
police so you need to look for other
ways the MP will be nice too it's a bit
difficult and not everyone has birds so
what you're left with is basically this
side the shutter and do fencing and most
of the solution you see are in the area
of cyber drone defense solutions so they
detect so you can also then try to get
the perpetrator flying the drone drone
detection is no different here are
pictures from our office in Zurich and
burn we use strong defense technology
actually got one step further we used a
OT gateways put the software and the
drone defense sensors in the cloud and
then we could use we could monitor two
sensors that complete separate locations
in basically in one software and see
what's going on at this location that
was kind of the CEOs office there it
just hijacked it so that's how a report
looks like a detection log shows in a
drone
where it is how long fly time was what
type of protocol or tin hat is there's
also another protocol available where
you can actually see the digital
fingerprint of drone for later so you
see one demonstrator or civil
disobedience happening in one city if
that guy reappears in another city you
know it's the same drone maybe it's not
a guy
maybe it's girl here with the manual
forensics well no-fly zones this photo
was publicly available from the angle
and so on we suspected it was a picture
taken by a drone where it shouldn't be
taken because this person is looking up
and from the angle we looked at then at
the location where the photo was taken
either it had to be taken there's one of
this laser beam ease from up here which
was unlikely or then what we suspect
that has been taken by a drone and the
only thing for me left was I wouldn't
need to have two drone so I could look
at the picture and EXIF them and see if
it really was taken there but that was
that was more like you know a test
because I don't care about some
journalists taking pictures of of
demonstrations then testing is dangerous
that was my car I was lucky
it would be more dangerous he would be
my wife's and expensive you need props
in it drones etc here actually there on
a car are two windows you know at the
back at this was the window at the back
so and one is with antenna and one
without antenna guess which one I hit
the one with antennae of course was
around 300 bucks to replace it and
embarrassing so beware you may talk away
about the next picture but if you have
seen Game of Thrones it's not a problem
for you fish kills and the recent sting
as a typical drone injury and it looks
like that pictures only black and white
but that's the racing drol this one only
flies about 140 kilometres per hour you
flight fpv with the camera but that plot
II bunker hit me bad I was flying
testing of course and struggling falling
backwards and then I stepped on a stone
I thought oh yeah that was from the
stone and then looked at it
and it was actually this props hit me so
don't underestimate what props can do to
you
they cut pretty bad so I was hoping
safety of course since I'm a safety
conscious person never ever do this
we had drones landing on our data
centers no one knew where they came from
no one knew what they were doing they're
just on top of the data centers if they
were just curious we couldn't also not
identify the persons flying them because
there is no registration it's not
mandatory it's not compulsory now so
never ever touch these things you have
to disconnect or use a towel just throw
a towel over it and or use some very
good gloves and you saw the cops gone
before I'm not hitting you
that thing will cut off your finger so
now I have a little movie for that and
if you please play it
think about quickly about four questions
I have four little drones for you for
each question
I actually had five I tested with the
fifth one but they're not really how you
sell they're not really dangerous so I
can give them away before they collect
more dust except if you swallow them
then there may be dangerous so here's a
little test just to remind you the drone
just itself or the threat it poses to
you there was a shooter like him at home
and I told my wife I will help you with
that one
because after that I cut myself I was
really curious for particular problems
you have and what can be done against it
you will see that when we both drones so
since I'm running out of time and before
I get wrestled down does someone have a
question right now you can still enjoy
watching watching the video maybe we
need a mic or you can just tell me yes
you please it then maybe you
yeah the noise noise that's the one you
hear it depends on the drone and I'm far
away it is but also let's say for the
DJI maverick pro the noise reduction
propellers and they're really loud noise
I think about five decibels and those
ones are not really new that especially
in a city you won't hear it and then if
you really want to use it as a spy tool
you actually drop it somewhere you drone
and then you let it stand there and
stand by and use the camera and the
microphones I guess so you have to
question you think you have you released
some tests about the GPS or GSM - - I
track her drone or to - to make to make
it to land land yeah that's some of the
drone defense solution sensors are using
that they try to imply a patch it's not
like a root patch but also they try to
send the drone a very short snaking with
the offset basically and you have a very
short time frame where usually you when
you're sending signals about GPS it's
much stronger here on earth than the the
signals from the sky and then you have a
small window of opportunity where you
can actually try to hijack these signals
change them and so maneuver the drone to
another place that's what some Israeli
sensor technologies are doing right now
we will test them next week I can tell
you the results hello yeah okay thank
you for your talk about the wrong
detection you showed us detection based
on radio radio detection from your
office yeah yeah I understand it your
new works with remote controlled drones
what about for you to make
autonomous run have you studied some
other method method of detection like
the gradual I would say it's
electronical emission sound detection
something exists yes some of the
solution have sound detection as well
problem is strong defense sensors just
listening to point four and five point
eight gigahertz yes so if you have other
drones flying or with old let's say
flying technology or not the quartz you
wouldn't see them or also if they fly
waypoints so there is with one of the
sensors manufacturers you have a
microphone and the camera so you take
them visually anti sound as well to get
those ones and how far can you detect
how far one to two kilometers depends in
the city it's a bit less thank you yeah
okay then thank you very much for mu I'm
here the next two days so please grab me
before I'm gone and ask you questions
thank you very much
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