1 00:02:48,040 --> 00:03:07,978 [Music] 2 00:03:11,730 --> 00:03:14,820 [Music] 3 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,680 welcome everyone 4 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,840 uh to this panel we're here live from 5 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,920 bratislava we're going to talk about 6 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,239 the eu and what you can actually deliver 7 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:27,920 to eu citizens 8 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:29,519 uh whether we're talking about consumer 9 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:33,040 protection security or even democracy 10 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,599 we have will welcome our three 11 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:36,560 participants 12 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,200 uh first the french junior minister for 13 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,200 eu affairs clement boone 14 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,440 as well as martin klutz the state 15 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,440 secretary for the ministry of foreign 16 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,400 european affairs 17 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,000 of the republic of slovakia and finally 18 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 monica holmeira will be joining us 19 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,239 remotely she's the chair budget control 20 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:54,879 committee 21 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:57,599 at the european parliament welcome to 22 00:03:57,599 --> 00:04:00,080 bratislava to the globsex security 23 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,040 uh to the globsec forum um we're gonna 24 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,400 give you the opportunity 25 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,200 uh to you in the audience as well as you 26 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,280 joining us from home or wherever you are 27 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,080 to ask questions via the globetech app 28 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,599 your questions must be brief because we 29 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:15,439 won't have time to go through them if 30 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:16,399 they aren't 31 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:18,079 and in the audience you'll be also able 32 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:19,759 to ask questions and i'll ask you to 33 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:20,160 stand 34 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,519 up when you do and not to touch the 35 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,600 microphone for safety 36 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,520 and health reasons obviously that you 37 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,360 are not now very familiar with 38 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:28,560 unfortunately 39 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,560 uh we'll start this panel with a live 40 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,000 poll that you can answer 41 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,120 on on you can give answers on the app my 42 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,240 question to you 43 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,919 is um as an eu citizen today 44 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:43,199 what uh did concretely did you bring to 45 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:43,600 you 46 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,320 in your daily life don't be afraid when 47 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,320 you answer of being trivial if your 48 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,199 answer is 49 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:52,320 it's free roaming well be it but i'm 50 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,520 just asking you to give 51 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,840 short answers and preferably two three 52 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:57,600 keywords so that we can sort out your 53 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,800 answer 54 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,919 um we'll start with uh mr bone 55 00:05:01,919 --> 00:05:04,320 your visit here is very very very timely 56 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,160 because france still will have to 57 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:06,720 deliver 58 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,960 france is taking over the rotating 59 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,400 presidency of the eu 60 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,199 in january but frankly most people in 61 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:13,919 europe 62 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:16,400 and uh most people in france don't know 63 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,320 or don't even care who holds the eu 64 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,520 presidency right 65 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,440 so how can you change that that's my 66 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,800 question how can you make sure that 67 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,639 people know who is 68 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:26,880 presiding over the eu and care and i'm 69 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,479 not just talking about diplomatic 70 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,479 circles i'm talking about your 71 00:05:30,479 --> 00:05:33,520 regular european citizen mr bone 72 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,960 thank you very much and i'm very happy 73 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,720 to be back to globsec and 74 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,360 in bratislava today this is a big 75 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,360 challenge to make sure we prepare our 76 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,440 presidency well and we try to have 77 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240 deliverables but of course usually it's 78 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:46,960 not enough 79 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,600 to make people just realize that there 80 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,440 is something happening about europe 81 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,840 in their country in france in this case 82 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,919 so we are trying i'm trying to 83 00:05:55,919 --> 00:05:58,960 develop a kind of environment i would 84 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,600 say 85 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,080 of cultural projects sports projects 86 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,639 which 87 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,680 make people realize that there is a 88 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,919 something european happening or that 89 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:09,280 they are part of it 90 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:11,600 uh we are trying to identify for 91 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,319 instance all 92 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:14,319 events before the presidency even before 93 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:15,440 the presidency 94 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,160 uh like we have a culture days in 95 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,440 september in which all 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,199 monuments are public we want to make 97 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,840 them europeanized in a way so that 98 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:24,560 people 99 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,479 know when they go to the elysee palace 100 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:28,560 or to the versailles castle that there 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,400 was something about europe bad or 102 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,280 positive 103 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,199 which happened in the past here and that 104 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:34,800 they have a european background 105 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,960 i think the most difficult thing is to 106 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,479 make people understand that europe is 107 00:06:38,479 --> 00:06:39,440 not about 108 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,800 directives regulations summits 109 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,400 of course we need that we are working on 110 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,039 it and it's necessary to deliver 111 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:50,240 reforms but there is a european culture 112 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,520 there is a european uh sports 113 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,479 community we are going through the euro 114 00:06:56,479 --> 00:06:58,639 championship at the moment syria is a 115 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,440 eurovision there is uh people think it's 116 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,319 anecdotes 117 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,280 i do think it's very important to use 118 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:05,919 this 119 00:07:05,919 --> 00:07:09,120 backbone of popular cultural sports 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:10,479 events to make sure that people 121 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:12,400 understand they're part of something 122 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,440 so we will try to make as many events 123 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,759 as we can not just for the sake of 124 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,440 organizing nice things 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,759 and postcode we need them more than ever 126 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:23,599 but also to develop this sense 127 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:26,319 of belonging if i just can conclude on 128 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:26,960 this we 129 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,520 we have defined so far three key words 130 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,960 for the presidency 131 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,160 uh which are uh roland's pisos 132 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,240 apartments in french so recovery 133 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,560 we will need this recovery still to be 134 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,520 implemented 135 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,840 and our recovery plan in particular 136 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,599 power because we have a big 137 00:07:43,599 --> 00:07:45,520 sovereignty agenda we may revert to that 138 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,599 as you know but also belonging a 139 00:07:47,599 --> 00:07:48,720 partners because 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,720 i think that developing through mobility 141 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,240 through cultures through education and 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,000 concrete initiatives 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,840 france in europe but europe in france 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,120 even more important 145 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,400 we need to insist on this to make 146 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,680 these six months very useful 147 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,879 and as as 148 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,360 fruitful as possible also for the french 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,240 public 150 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,120 to make this awareness higher so it's 151 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,039 mostly about communications then 152 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:17,280 no no i don't i mean for communication i 153 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,800 don't think it's a dirty word it's 154 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,039 important to explain what is happening 155 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:24,240 and to make this six months a moment of 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,840 yes of communication of public 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,199 communication events gatherings but it's 158 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:32,958 also explaining what have what we have 159 00:08:32,958 --> 00:08:34,880 achieved over the four years because 160 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,880 as you know president macron and the 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,479 french government have insisted 162 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:40,240 probably more than any french government 163 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,000 before on 164 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,760 the importance of belonging to europe 165 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,760 the ability we have to push 166 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,839 what we think are important reforms in 167 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:49,519 europe to develop 168 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:51,440 bilateral relations on the network in 169 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,120 europe this is also why i'm 170 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,200 coming for the first time to slovakia 171 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,959 for instance and i will come back 172 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:00,240 dear martin um but uh it's uh 173 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,600 it's also about this european reflex 174 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,240 i can say this european feeling this 175 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,240 european sense of belonging that we need 176 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,920 so much of course we all know about 177 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,120 erasmus but it's five percent of 178 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,519 students of one generation i want this 179 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:16,720 type of 180 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,000 i would like that each young european 181 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,040 or less young european have the memory 182 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,279 of one european experience whether it's 183 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:28,560 just a striking movie a trip 184 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,600 a university exchange an internship 185 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,640 somewhere 186 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,040 a discussion in another language with a 187 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,560 european colleague whatever 188 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,720 but if you have this european experience 189 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,920 you are a european 190 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,959 foreign right um can we can i 191 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:44,880 kindly ask our backstage office to 192 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,560 display maybe the first answers of the 193 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:46,959 poll 194 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:49,680 so that we see what the eu has brought 195 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:50,000 to 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,640 uh the citizens were voting or using the 197 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,720 app right now so i see freedom of travel 198 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,760 free movement 199 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,360 a big one the euro um interesting we 200 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,240 were just discussing 201 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,839 the fact that some people don't find the 202 00:10:02,839 --> 00:10:04,320 euro 203 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,320 being an advantage human rights safety 204 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,399 standards trade consumer protection 205 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,600 traveling uh peace and security 206 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,880 peace etc interesting so um 207 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,839 all these advantages are clear and and 208 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:20,640 clearly benefit eu citizens and yet 209 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,880 anti-eu parties are on the rise in 210 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,399 europe they're knocking at the door in 211 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:26,240 many countries slovakia 212 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,480 might somehow be an exception with 213 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,480 rising support for eu membership i think 214 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,240 a recent poll showed that 80 215 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,279 of people in slovakia are in favor of eu 216 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,279 membership which is very high 217 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:39,279 and yet the government uh grabbed the 218 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,200 headlines earlier this year for ordering 219 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,440 sputnik vaccines from from russia 220 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,000 which is a key success of russia's 221 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,440 vaccine diplomacy 222 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,959 um i just at the time when uh the eu was 223 00:10:50,959 --> 00:10:52,720 having a slow start with vaccine 224 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,600 deliveries 225 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,320 so mr kluse my question is for you all 226 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:56,880 in all 227 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,880 how do you see uh the strategy the covet 228 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:01,600 crisis 229 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,320 uh an eu strategy to tackle this crisis 230 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,760 affecting the opinion 231 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,440 your citizens have uh on on the european 232 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,200 union 233 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,880 thank you and uh good morning to 234 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,399 everybody i'm very happy to have you in 235 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:15,839 bratislava uh 236 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:17,519 as far as i can see we are looking like 237 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:19,519 a twins with clemont today 238 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:23,200 that's fantastic and uh well 239 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,920 uh first of all uh strategy 240 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,440 communication i believe it's very 241 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,800 important for all of us 242 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,240 if it comes to the european union that's 243 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,760 why i really appreciate what clemont 244 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,440 said about his uh 245 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,720 idea of a french presidency we need to 246 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,560 speak up to our citizens that's why we 247 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,240 start also the conference of the future 248 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,279 of europe 249 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,440 and i believe it's very important too 250 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,640 for us 251 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,880 politicians but not only also for 252 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,399 business also for 253 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,880 academic environment for everybody to 254 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,680 speak about 255 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,360 what the european union concretely 256 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,279 delivered to our citizens because we are 257 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:56,000 forgetting that 258 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,760 very often you mentioned vaccine 259 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,279 diplomacy but 260 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:02,639 uh let's not forget uh march 2020 when 261 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,639 we spoke about the mess diplomacy it was 262 00:12:04,639 --> 00:12:06,160 about the chinese in the time 263 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,600 now it's about the russians if it comes 264 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,440 to the vaccine diplomacy 265 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,200 unfortunately this country is heavily 266 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,120 affected by 267 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,399 propaganda hoaxes and 268 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:18,160 that's why i really appreciate also the 269 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,760 effort of the european commission and 270 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,959 european parliament 271 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:22,959 to discuss what should be the social 272 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:24,000 responsibility 273 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,680 of the social networks for instance 274 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,000 because it's heavily interconnected 275 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,839 especially in uh small countries like 276 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:31,519 slovakia uh 277 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:34,560 so if we want to keep the track of a 278 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,000 positive mood if it comes to the 279 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,399 european union we need to work hard on 280 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:39,360 that and 281 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,800 we need to bring very concrete 282 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,880 deliveries for our citizens 283 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,200 and when i saw the poll we can clearly 284 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,079 see that uh 285 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:47,839 people appreciating especially free 286 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:49,680 movement and 287 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,800 what we can't repeat never ever 288 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,440 is to have a situation like during the 289 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,040 first wave of pandemia 290 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,920 that we lock down our countries so even 291 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,200 if it comes to the movement of the 292 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,079 people 293 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:05,760 we slow down at least slow down 294 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,240 locked one of the main freedoms of the 295 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,760 european union which is freedom of 296 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:10,639 movement 297 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:13,200 and i get thousands of emails from our 298 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,040 citizens who are all around the european 299 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:15,680 union 300 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,519 this is the european union you promised 301 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:19,279 us so 302 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,440 please don't repeat it uh anymore and 303 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,360 try to find uh 304 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,639 all together uh the way 305 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,360 uh out from uh from pandemia a different 306 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:29,839 way 307 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:31,600 than the locking of the borders because 308 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,760 uh that will be very critical 309 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,760 also in 2022 during the french 310 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,839 presidential election 311 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:39,839 german presidential uh german uh 312 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:42,160 parliamentary election in autumn time 313 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,320 uh i believe people understand what's 314 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,399 going on in this case and uh 315 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:48,079 we need to find european solutions for 316 00:13:48,079 --> 00:13:49,600 that so you think 317 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,079 after these lockdowns after a slow start 318 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:53,360 with the vaccines it's going a bit 319 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,040 better but a slow start nevertheless 320 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,560 especially compared to the uk do you 321 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:56,880 think 322 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,240 people will come out of this crisis more 323 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,680 uh involved a more pro-eu or less 324 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,360 keen to be eu members that's up to us so 325 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,000 i believe if we are using strategy 326 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,600 communication we are trying our best in 327 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,839 slovakia not only 328 00:14:13,839 --> 00:14:16,320 i can say many positive words for 329 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,920 instance about the portuguese presidency 330 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,959 nowadays 331 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:20,880 uh then people understand how important 332 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,279 are these so-called european solutions 333 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:26,399 also if it council to strategic autonomy 334 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:26,959 for instance 335 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:29,279 which which we will speak about later 336 00:14:29,279 --> 00:14:30,560 also if it comes to 337 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 uh join uh procurement of vaccines for 338 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,120 instance which was very very important 339 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,480 for this country 340 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,440 uh except of this uh short story uh with 341 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,480 uh 342 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,639 sputnik vaccine and i believe uh 343 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:47,440 uh what is most important now is to uh 344 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,160 introduce 345 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,800 european uh kovit certificates uh with 346 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,320 no delay anymore 347 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,079 and which will be technically prepared 348 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:56,000 well because that will allow our 349 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,440 citizens to travel more 350 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,399 and i'm sure that uh most of us need to 351 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:03,839 go for a vacation to some of the 352 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:05,519 european countries 353 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,560 indeed mrs hallmeyer 354 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,399 welcome one important uh point 355 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:14,800 for eu citizens i think is that the 356 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,680 european union 357 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,639 did manage to find an agreement to spend 358 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:19,279 billions 359 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,480 on recovery from the covet crisis now 360 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,399 the challenge is basically to make sure 361 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,160 that these funds are channeled to 362 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,040 regular citizens and any citizens what's 363 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:29,759 the biggest 364 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:33,440 obstacle in your opinion for these eu 365 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,279 funds to be disbursed and to be 366 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,839 efficient 367 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,279 um so firstly perhaps and so firstly 368 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:42,079 reactions 369 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:45,440 short reactions on my uh my two 370 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,040 speakers said two co-speakers 371 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,120 or received the member states of that 372 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,160 member states 373 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,639 then eu effective if manchester united 374 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,160 are not doing it if represented i'm not 375 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,759 doing so receiving the 376 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:02,320 recovery phone we see it very clearly we 377 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,000 see it very clearly that 378 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,480 uh we can be successful we can decide 379 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:13,600 well it seems that we have some 380 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,519 technical issues that's fine 381 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,320 um mr bone the question back to you then 382 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:19,920 what do you think would be the biggest 383 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,920 obstacle to a smooth disbursement of 384 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,079 these eu funds 385 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:26,160 well the idleness is a big obstacle we 386 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,199 had some 387 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:30,399 obstacles to get where we are which is 388 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:32,320 now the moment when you can disburse the 389 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,399 fence and 390 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:38,000 you can it uh in two ways you can say 391 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,920 in comparison with what we were able to 392 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,759 do sometimes at the national level 393 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,360 when the emergency measures had 394 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,440 everywhere in the eu to be put in place 395 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,560 that it was long and slow because 396 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,720 we had a political agreement in european 397 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,600 council 398 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,680 last summer in july and it's just 399 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,199 starting now 400 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:56,959 as i tend to say it was not a 401 00:16:56,959 --> 00:16:58,720 bureaucratic time it was a democratic 402 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,440 time that we used and it's true because 403 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,600 we needed an agreement between the 404 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,439 council and our european parliament that 405 00:17:05,439 --> 00:17:06,959 all europeans elect 406 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:09,760 and then they needed a ratification by 407 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:10,880 all national parliaments 408 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,559 i mean if we want to do differently we 409 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:14,480 have to say it but 410 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,039 can we say at the same time that europe 411 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,880 is too slow and that we want democratic 412 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:19,679 checks 413 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:21,919 at the national level if we need that 414 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:23,280 and i think we need that 415 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,959 it takes a bit of time that's the way it 416 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:27,439 is overall it was quite quick 417 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:30,240 and it's starting now after a few months 418 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,880 of this process and if we want to make 419 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,320 it a success 420 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,559 to be frank i think a country like 421 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:37,840 france 422 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,640 has a big responsibility because as you 423 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,120 know we 424 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:42,880 we pushed so very strongly for it at the 425 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,160 moment when 426 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,080 it was so difficult we worked together 427 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,280 on it 428 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,880 but it was extremely difficult to even 429 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,080 mention the idea in march 2020 april 430 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:54,880 2020 431 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,320 a month afterwards there was a french 432 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,160 german agreement two months after that 433 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,760 there was a unanimous agreement in 434 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,880 european council 435 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,760 now if we want to make sure that this is 436 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,200 a big opportunity 437 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,440 and not just a nice surprise 438 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,559 that came up out of a long night in 439 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,440 brussels 440 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,039 we have to make sure that it goes to the 441 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:16,559 right sectors 442 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,960 green transition digital transformation 443 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,559 that is spend quickly 444 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,280 that it spends wisely on key investments 445 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,200 and not a 446 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,440 less useful project and so on so i think 447 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,720 this 448 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,440 idea that we are discussing our national 449 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,240 plans 450 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,440 at the european level which was 451 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,080 sometimes criticized in france 452 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,919 because it's you know european checking 453 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:39,440 what is the what is being done with the 454 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,559 money of course 455 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:42,799 we are borrowing together it's normal 456 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:44,160 that we have 457 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,320 everyone a say on what the others are 458 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,280 doing 459 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,760 and france is the same it goes both ways 460 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,080 it's perfectly rational perfectly normal 461 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,360 and perfectly sounds 462 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:54,960 but now it's good that through this 463 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,520 discussion we have a coordination of the 464 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,320 big 465 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,400 issues and i think what maybe we should 466 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,679 do better 467 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,600 in the coming months is to have common 468 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,720 projects 469 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,200 when we want to invest in hydrogen we 470 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:07,840 want to 471 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,160 to invest in more medical research 472 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,080 innovation when we want to invest in in 473 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,120 batteries 474 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,240 all we need for the decade to come for 475 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,600 europe to be 476 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,559 at the technological frontier we need to 477 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:21,840 coordinate and to have common projects 478 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,520 we are starting this with germany but i 479 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:24,400 think maybe if we 480 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,640 want to make this plan successful we 481 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,400 need more of these common projects at 482 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,840 the european level between 483 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,679 eu countries you said in overall it uh 484 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:36,160 it we were quite quick in in sorting 485 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,200 this out and 486 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,120 finding an agreement mr kluse do you 487 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,120 agree um because these projects you know 488 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,640 the hydrogen project is 489 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,160 starting to uh starting to get in shape 490 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,160 but for example project on health are 491 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,679 taking a bit of time 492 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:51,600 at eu level especially if you compare it 493 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,840 to what the u.s can achieve 494 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,200 do you think it's fast enough well 495 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,440 of course could be faster but uh let's 496 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,360 take a look on 497 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,080 aki community which is not allowing us 498 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:04,559 to 499 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:06,400 to move some of the competencies from 500 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,000 the national states without changing of 501 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,919 the treaties and uh 502 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:12,080 uh that was one of the very clear 503 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,000 answers when people start to blame on 504 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,880 european union 505 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,320 uh in uh uh spring 2020 that uh 506 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,720 why they didn't act quickly enough the 507 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,039 same like russians or chinese 508 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:26,159 uh and uh the answer was uh very clear 509 00:20:26,159 --> 00:20:27,919 that uh well they can't 510 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:29,760 because it's our responsibility it's a 511 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,919 responsibility of national state so 512 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:33,840 let's discuss also this option during 513 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,919 the conference of the future of europe 514 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:37,919 i believe we need to speak frankly to 515 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,000 our citizens that in some occasions like 516 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,080 pandemia for instance 517 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,280 maybe more europe is a good idea then we 518 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,480 need to speak about 519 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,039 some other competencies where maybe a 520 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,200 little more subsidiarity will be better 521 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,080 idea 522 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,760 so this is the conference of the future 523 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,760 of europe about and i believe we will 524 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,600 get very clear answers from our citizens 525 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,640 because they expect 526 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,280 as i said very concrete delivery from us 527 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,840 and 528 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,640 we are failing sometimes so i'm 529 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,400 optimistic of course so 530 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,520 and i believe uh 2021 531 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,919 uh was much more successful than the 532 00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:12,960 2020 533 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,200 and if it comes to uh this recovery fund 534 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,840 i believe very concrete deliveries will 535 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,679 come in next two years 536 00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:23,600 and this is very good news for all of us 537 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,280 because it's not only how to recover 538 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,480 from the pandemia 539 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,039 it's also how to make uh our national 540 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:30,000 states and european 541 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,880 union more digital more green better 542 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,679 educated 543 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:37,919 and uh i i believe this will bring uh 544 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:40,320 europe to the future generations in very 545 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,640 different shape that we get used to 546 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,960 indeed i just for those who are uh 547 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,039 eagerly waiting for mrs whole meyer to 548 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:47,600 appear 549 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,280 again we're just sorting out technical 550 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,640 issues just be back 551 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,720 probably shortly hopefully mr bony 552 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:53,760 wanted to react 553 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,840 i i just wanted to to to add something 554 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,520 because you said 555 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,320 are we going fast enough or going uh are 556 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,679 we going far enough 557 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:03,919 i just want to insist on that i think 558 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,280 when you look at the figures they will 559 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 not want to be too too detailed here but 560 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600 in terms of emergency measures what we 561 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,679 did usually at the national level but if 562 00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:13,280 we add up the numbers 563 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,720 of what was done in germany in france 564 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,640 and slovakia everywhere in the eu 565 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,280 we are exactly or even higher than the 566 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,960 level of spending 567 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,799 in terms of social protection protection 568 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,400 to our companies small businesses 569 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,440 jobs that the u.s has been doing 570 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,960 if you look at the recovery now i think 571 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,640 the figures are quite close 572 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,000 what i think is potentially 573 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,720 a gap is as a long-term investment plan 574 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,280 the us 575 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,960 is now developing we'll see what happens 576 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,559 in congress because president biden has 577 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:41,760 announced big numbers 578 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,080 maybe smaller in the end but on this i 579 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,520 think europe should do more but on the 580 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,120 rest i think we should not be shy or we 581 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,480 shouldn't be proud 582 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,960 of what we've been achieving it could be 583 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,840 faster 584 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480 we all want it to be faster and to 585 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,080 improve our processes 586 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,320 but it's big it's very big and what we 587 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,600 have done at the national level 588 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,840 protecting our jobs our small 589 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,440 restaurants cafes all these small 590 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,400 businesses 591 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,840 and now with a recovery plan for the 592 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240 next two to three years is big and 593 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,960 we should be aware and proud of it 594 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,480 yesterday there was the first 595 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,919 market emission of the eu regarding the 596 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:17,679 financing of this recovery plan 597 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,440 when you just look at the interest rates 598 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,799 it's interesting because it's 599 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,960 it's highly political in a way the 600 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,840 investors the markets 601 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,240 pro asked for seven times more what we 602 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,919 should and the interest rate 603 00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:31,760 is just a bit higher than the german 604 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,760 rates a bit lower than the french 605 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,919 sovereign rate it means that there is 606 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:36,880 trust 607 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,480 in the eu financing it means that there 608 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,640 is trust in the future because you have 609 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,240 people and they are not ngos there are 610 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,679 market investors 611 00:23:43,679 --> 00:23:45,360 who are defending their own financial 612 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,440 interests and they invest in the eu 613 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000 for the next 40 years because we will 614 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,880 repay this plan 615 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,200 over 40 years so i think it's a sign of 616 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,720 trust in our future which is 617 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,799 extremely important after brexit after 618 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,720 the crisis we went through we should be 619 00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,919 aware and proud of it 620 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:01,679 clearly the these investors believe the 621 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:03,120 eu will still be there and will still 622 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,640 stand at 40 years 623 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,400 um do you think mr bone as 624 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,640 mr macron actually mentioned it that you 625 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,080 must 626 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,720 start working on another short term 627 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,919 mightier 628 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:18,799 investment plan well it's the point i 629 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:19,679 was making 630 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:23,039 i think we should 631 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,720 we should not consider that our recovery 632 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,080 plan this uh 633 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,640 750 billion is small it is big now we 634 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,320 have to deliver to implement to make it 635 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,600 successful and so on 636 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,440 so to be direct and frank i don't 637 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520 believe we could or we should have 638 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,559 another 639 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,080 four day summit in brussels in the 640 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,919 coming weeks to 641 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:41,919 change the numbers i think it would not 642 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:44,480 work to be realistic and pragmatic 643 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,080 especially since we have not spent the 644 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,520 money yet 645 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,799 what i do think is that what we could 646 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:51,360 lack 647 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,080 what when where the u.s could be faster 648 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,360 and more ambitious than us 649 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,799 is a 10-year investment plan 650 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,840 i'm not impressed about the numbers 651 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,679 2 000 um 652 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,840 to the 2 000 billion dollars that 653 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,360 president biden has announced for 654 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,360 immediate recovery or immediate support 655 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,080 what is impressive is this 10-year 656 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,520 investment plan in the u.s for 657 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,120 infrastructure and so on this we don't 658 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,799 have yet at the eu level 659 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,080 so it's not about our recovery our 660 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840 recovery is for the next two years it's 661 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,679 quite short-term 662 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:27,440 it is what we do in 2030 in 2035 663 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,240 how do we invest now in microprocessors 664 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,200 microchips 665 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,400 in semiconductors in space industry 666 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,440 in uh batteries we have made progress in 667 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,120 the last two years 668 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,440 two to three years with a common project 669 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,480 at the level with 670 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 common eu funding but we don't have a 671 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480 10-year investment plan at the 672 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,279 level and it's not only with eu money or 673 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:50,960 it's not necessary to command that it 674 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,840 could be i think 675 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,120 it could be but if this works 676 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,720 if this recovery plan works if it's 677 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,720 common networks if this investment 678 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 is producing concrete projects and 679 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 concrete results it will be easier 680 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,320 and necessary to open a discussion 681 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,120 probably 682 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,679 next year maybe starting during the 683 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,679 french presidency i would like it 684 00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:14,400 on a 10-year investment plan at the eu 685 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,880 level this is not a second recovery plan 686 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,440 it is 687 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,600 i think a longer-term perspective with a 688 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,640 big investment plan 689 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520 if we don't want to be lagging behind 690 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,480 the americans 691 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,840 chinese and others that is if the 692 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,720 so-called frugal countries agree to it 693 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,440 um glovesec has a perfect timing in the 694 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,240 sense that it's 695 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,159 coming right after g7 and right after 696 00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,600 nato submits 697 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,840 both events show that eu allies are 698 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,120 still uncomfortable when it comes to 699 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,279 adopting a common position on china and 700 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,720 how to deal with china 701 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,559 and that makes sense i mean see germany 702 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,840 and its uh 703 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,200 car exports to china are you hopeful mr 704 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,000 bone that maybe 705 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320 after the september elections in germany 706 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,400 um perhaps during the french presidency 707 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,279 of the eu even 708 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,159 you can be the uk it can be more united 709 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,240 on on china 710 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,520 well again i think we should it's not 711 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,440 perfect of course but we should 712 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,600 look at what has been happening the last 713 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,799 four five years 714 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:13,440 uh i remember when i was already working 715 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,360 in a different position for 716 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,200 minister macron at that time a french 717 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,120 economy minister we had discussions 718 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:19,600 about 719 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,120 recognizing the market economy status of 720 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:24,399 china in wto 721 00:27:24,399 --> 00:27:26,559 that was five years ago only and there 722 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,840 was a debate 723 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,919 in the eu to recognize it that would 724 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:31,600 have mean that would have meant 725 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,880 dismantling our anti-dumping tools 726 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200 and so on and so forth to open widely 727 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,919 our 728 00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,559 protections in all respects to chinese 729 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,000 investment and chinese 730 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,039 dumping to be clear 731 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,279 the debate and the dna of eu and this 732 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:48,720 has totally changed 733 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,559 not only we have not recognized market 734 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,480 economy status we have transcend our 735 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,520 anti-dumping 736 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,440 instruments we have developed a 737 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,200 screening mechanism which i think is too 738 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,799 soft but it's the first step 739 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,799 to make sure that in strategic sectors 740 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,399 not in all sectors but in strategic 741 00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:03,120 sectors we can 742 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,320 check nationally rdu level what is being 743 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:06,960 done by 744 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200 third country investors like chinese 745 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,080 investors 746 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,320 we will have very important reform i 747 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,840 think proposed by the commission in the 748 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,880 coming weeks 749 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,360 a foreign subsidy mechanism which means 750 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,559 that when you are 751 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,600 a foreign a non-eu company 752 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,200 investing buying a company bidding for a 753 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,320 public procurement 754 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,480 in the eu we will make sure that you 755 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,600 don't have 756 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000 subsidies so unfair competition from 757 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,360 your 758 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,320 home country china or others but china 759 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,360 so i think this 760 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,080 software has totally changed i think we 761 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,600 are not there yet 762 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,679 we are more united we are less naive but 763 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,520 we are probably not strong enough 764 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320 in terms of trade policy in terms of 765 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,679 trade negotiations 766 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,360 there was a lot of talk about this 767 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,279 investment agreement 768 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,799 made with china at the principal level 769 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,399 last december it was criticized as too 770 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:01,679 weak or naive which i think is 771 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,520 interesting because now people even i 772 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,080 think business community ask for more 773 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,760 level playing field and somehow 774 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,679 protection with china 775 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,279 it is a step in the right direction but 776 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,440 probably now it's not seen as 777 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,080 enough and i think beyond the key issue 778 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,520 of human rights 779 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,120 of a international labor organization 780 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,720 convention that china will have to 781 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,279 ratify if it wants us to rectify this 782 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,919 agreement so it's not a given 783 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:31,440 beyond this we want more fairness 784 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960 and so more defensive approach 785 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,799 more offensive approach as well from the 786 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,480 utah west china i think we are getting 787 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,080 in this direction 788 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,039 with this foreign mechanism with a new 789 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:44,480 screening mechanism that will have to 790 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,279 strengthen 791 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,120 so yes i hope that we can go in this 792 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520 direction and work with the us in this 793 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080 just to be clear on that i don't think 794 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,880 that we are 795 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,399 in a position of equidistance between 796 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,799 as eu between the u.s and china we want 797 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,159 to cooperate with china 798 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:02,080 on a lot of topics including trade but 799 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,520 also climate and so on 800 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080 we have a no our own eu position which 801 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,760 is not necessarily the american position 802 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,720 but 803 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600 our key partner of course for security 804 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,600 strategic approach but also for trade 805 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,200 and for multilateralism 806 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,799 is the u.s and we could work on this 807 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,559 right thank you it's a work in progress 808 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:19,520 indeed so we have 809 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,919 mrs hallmeyer who is back apparently i 810 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:25,039 think you're back can you hear us 811 00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:28,640 we i i hear you but you can't hear me 812 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,080 then that's the problem 813 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,159 we have some problems today in brussels 814 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:33,520 um so so 815 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,520 back to my we had some problems admire 816 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,240 in other committees either 817 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840 do you as agreed i was saying that the 818 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,200 use has agreed to spend billions on 819 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,679 recovery and i was asking you uh 820 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,679 what is the biggest obstacle to smooth 821 00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:47,520 delivery of these funds and 822 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,120 i think you've pointed out that we have 823 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,640 to make sure that eu funds 824 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,640 are not channeled to people who are not 825 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,240 entitled to them 826 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240 that has happened in the past is that a 827 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,600 serious risk 828 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000 and how does do you work to prevent that 829 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,919 kind of things i'm thinking corruption 830 00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:04,960 for example 831 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,279 i think the most important issue in our 832 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,039 first is 833 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,360 that we are really using the 750 billion 834 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,559 for innovation for research for recovery 835 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,720 and that it is really delivered to those 836 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,600 um 837 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,919 who need it or to those who are really 838 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:23,679 delivering in the area of research and 839 00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:24,960 innovation 840 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,279 so corruption is an issue but it is not 841 00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:28,159 the first issue 842 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,480 on rrf yes it is an issue for our 843 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,279 committee 844 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,840 and it's an important issue to really to 845 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,399 avoid 846 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,240 any kind of corruption and there we have 847 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,279 to do more we need more transparency 848 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,519 uh we need um at the end if we're 849 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,279 discussing digitalization 850 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:44,960 it's really very interesting that we 851 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,519 have no cross-border digitalization to 852 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:50,720 trace back european money because until 853 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,320 now the member states 854 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,039 don't agree with this um i think we 855 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:55,519 should 856 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,080 we should do it in a i think that it 857 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,399 would be of a cross-border 858 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:03,919 positive action to have a digitalized 859 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:05,519 system to trace back 860 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,840 as we are just discussing other issues 861 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,039 in digitalization 862 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,799 20 of the amount of 863 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,159 rrf are for um digitalization 864 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,640 so for innovation not only for control 865 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,320 but for real innovation in 866 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,640 the digital area and if we want to be 867 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,399 successful in the green deal 868 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:26,720 at the same time recovering then we need 869 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,159 a lot of innovation 870 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,559 and really a european initiative in in 871 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,080 the innovation area 872 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320 therefore i really would appreciate it 873 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,120 very much 874 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,519 if member states would agree on more 875 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,480 financial means in the area of research 876 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,559 um you had talked about for example the 877 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:44,559 kubit-19 crisis 878 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,679 um we would not have a mrn 879 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:51,120 rna technology if europe wouldn't have 880 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,279 invested in this kind of technology it's 881 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:54,559 a up technology 882 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,960 so it's very interesting that now china 883 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,320 russia and 884 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,559 explicitly the united states are asking 885 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,240 for giving them the patents 886 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,960 i think if it would be if they would be 887 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,279 american patents and not european ones 888 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:07,840 they would 889 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,200 ask to open up i think we really have to 890 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,320 act together 891 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,799 europe can deliver if member states 892 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,240 agree on it 893 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,360 and if member states are not um for 894 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,240 example 895 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,679 in this vaccination area we saw uh for 896 00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:24,799 example 897 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,480 um to give european union and their 898 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,159 responsibility but not the tools 899 00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:32,399 so if member states did not order 900 00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:33,279 vaccines 901 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,880 for example um then at the end 902 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,799 european union was responsible that the 903 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,480 vaccines were not there 904 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,039 so it was it is always mostly it is a 905 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,440 problem if the 27 and mr bone is right 906 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,320 when he's saying 907 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,600 we need to be more united in areas 908 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,799 where we have to be united and um 909 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,200 um where her mr close uh i'm i'm very 910 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,679 happy about it that he talked that not 911 00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:01,840 there there shouldn't be this reflex 912 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,799 on um if we have a problem that the 913 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,000 first thing what we do 914 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,119 is closing the borders not talking to 915 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:10,399 each other not fair 916 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:13,918 finding uh strategic ways how to 917 00:34:13,918 --> 00:34:15,760 to to solve problems at the borders 918 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,399 because i live nearby a border 919 00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:21,280 so to be frank for us it was a huge 920 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,560 problem that suddenly 921 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,599 borders were close to czechia uh and for 922 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:26,879 all our 923 00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,239 workers for the smaller companies 924 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560 across border working every day it was 925 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,760 really a problem 926 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,719 so i think rrf should be used either for 927 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:37,280 this 928 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239 for the issue that we should not know 929 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,399 any border anymore when we are working 930 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:43,839 together in economy in 931 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,719 in economic areas or in research areas 932 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,040 or 933 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,399 innovation areas i think you three 934 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:52,159 agree on that we have an interesting 935 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,760 question coming up from michelle 936 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,119 patrick concerning the need for an eu 937 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,480 investment plan 938 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040 prime minister quote spoke yesterday at 939 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,040 globsec and he said that the recovery 940 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,079 plan was a 941 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,359 one-shot common eu debt project do you 942 00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:09,280 see it as the same 943 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,079 mr close 944 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,680 well i can easily share this opinion of 945 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160 chancellor kurtz uh i'm coming from the 946 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,680 party where where we are 947 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,440 uh quite hesitating to speak about uh 948 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,119 common debts in europe for 949 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,160 forever uh we believe that 950 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,800 pandemia needs to have special solutions 951 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,520 so okay 952 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,640 we agreed uh with the solution made 953 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,480 in the council during the july time but 954 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,000 uh 955 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,400 we need more than just a recovery and 956 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,079 resilience plan 957 00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,960 for next couple of years and i guess 958 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,440 this 959 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,760 investment plan sounds okay we need to 960 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,000 we need to hear details because uh 961 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,560 devil is always hidden in the detail uh 962 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,480 and we need to discuss it uh very 963 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,400 precisely at the european level 964 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640 what that investment plan uh should mean 965 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,599 but uh 966 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,400 as far as i know uh chancellor kurtz uh 967 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:02,880 he's 968 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,119 very like-minded uh with us in many 969 00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,480 cases so 970 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,079 i believe he will come with the details 971 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,160 soon and uh it's one of the most 972 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800 important partners i mean austria for us 973 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,920 uh hopefully they will count on us too 974 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,320 chancellor you're right i said pm um 975 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,040 okay 976 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,839 mr krustu bounce back on that um right 977 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:23,520 now a big flashy keyword for the 978 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,760 european in the european union 979 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,119 in most countries is strategic autonomy 980 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,720 what does that mean to you what's your 981 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,720 number one priority in that regard 982 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,320 is it tackling china the us or 983 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,520 russia for example 984 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,599 well uh i can easily tell you what the 985 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,240 strategic autonomy is not for me 986 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,359 uh first of all we need to fight against 987 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:48,400 protectionism 988 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400 and uh uh kind of an interpreting 989 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,960 interventionism uh 990 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,079 we had a 991 00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:59,040 possibility to to to deal with the last 992 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,320 couple of years 993 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,119 from one of our very important partners 994 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:03,520 and 995 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,640 uh i believe we need to use a single 996 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,480 market much more 997 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,440 to be more strategic autonomy uh to have 998 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,119 more strategic autonomy and to be more 999 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,640 strategic autonomous 1000 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,760 within the europe and uh i also believe 1001 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,160 that 1002 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,160 we need to have more resilience in 1003 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160 europe so why not to speak about it 1004 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000 it's a good idea especially after the 1005 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,359 experience of 1006 00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:28,079 march 2020 musk diplomacy now vaccine 1007 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,680 diplomacy and many other 1008 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,560 diplomacies all around the world but uh 1009 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:32,960 let's 1010 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,880 speak very correctly that first of all 1011 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,040 we need to have a free market 1012 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,720 within the european union and also 1013 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,480 global free markets uh so 1014 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,440 in this case uh i'm the one who is very 1015 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,119 heavily supporting uh 1016 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,599 uh common voice of european countries 1017 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:48,880 against china 1018 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,119 and for this country it's even more 1019 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,320 important to speak 1020 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,400 with the common voice if it comes to the 1021 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,599 russia but 1022 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,079 much more in security issues than the 1023 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,079 economic one 1024 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,200 um the question for mrs olmeier now 1025 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160 there was a recent um a recent and 1026 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,800 important 1027 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,520 agreement on a 15 percent minimum 1028 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,480 corporate tax 1029 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,119 uh that was decided at g7 level that 1030 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:13,839 would be 1031 00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:15,920 i think a tangible achievement for eu 1032 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,760 citizens avoiding a race to the bottom 1033 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,000 in 1034 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,800 in corporate taxation and once again on 1035 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,760 this topic 1036 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,280 there seems to be it seems to be a long 1037 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,119 shot for the eu to find a common 1038 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:25,920 position 1039 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,920 on that with you know ireland warning 1040 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,040 that it would make 1041 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,640 its economy less attractive to 1042 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,160 businesses do you see 1043 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,440 a way forward to for the you to stand 1044 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:36,000 together 1045 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,680 on the issue of corporate taxation 1046 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,240 i think it's absolutely necessary 1047 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,480 because a fair taxation 1048 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,320 is a necessary tool so if um 1049 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,119 companies are only looking um where they 1050 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,640 have zero taxation 1051 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,920 and a maximum of profit um but no 1052 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,960 social security um no 1053 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,160 fair rules between the companies and i 1054 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,800 cannot explain to a smaller company 1055 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,760 not being a digital company as google or 1056 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,880 facebook or some chinese companies 1057 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,400 they pay them more taxes in percentages 1058 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,000 than um the big ones amazon mr bezos or 1059 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,960 whatever 1060 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,079 so i'm um i'm absolutely 1061 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,480 friendly-minded to big companies that's 1062 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,880 not my problem but a fair taxation is a 1063 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,079 necessary tool 1064 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,560 and explicitly for europe we need more 1065 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,079 own resources 1066 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,040 debts are not a solution and if we have 1067 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,960 companies 1068 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,400 paying 0.5 taxes 8 1069 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,359 taxes percent taxes and at the same time 1070 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:44,720 other companies 1071 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,960 explicitly the small and medium-sized 1072 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,760 are paying 1073 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040 30 25 or 35 1074 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,079 or even more then this is not a fair 1075 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,280 taxation so i think a basis or a 1076 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,440 minimum tax in the corporate tax area 1077 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,280 and explicitly in digital tax area 1078 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,359 is absolutely necessary and it should be 1079 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:08,640 a european one 1080 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,279 and not nationally nationally 1081 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,560 once because these companies are acting 1082 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,200 really european and worldwide so we need 1083 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,760 a common basis for this not ireland 1084 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,599 against germany or france or france 1085 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:24,640 against the 1086 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,800 netherlands and luxembourg we need a 1087 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,000 common basis 1088 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480 that a minimum tax is absolutely 1089 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,800 necessary 1090 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,880 mr boone you know ireland very well i 1091 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,240 think you studied there 1092 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:38,079 do you think there there's a way to find 1093 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:39,520 a common stance 1094 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,160 on this minimum corporate tax level i 1095 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,599 hope so 1096 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,319 i hope so uh yes no i'm optimistic we 1097 00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:48,079 can find a 1098 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,319 unanimous agreement because we need it 1099 00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:52,000 first thing is i i regret we 1100 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,280 are blocked or slowed down by unanimity 1101 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,200 in this area 1102 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,160 um there are now two areas basically in 1103 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,200 the 1104 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,200 eu decision making which are by 1105 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,560 unanimity votes 1106 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 tax issues and foreign policy i think on 1107 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,760 both 1108 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,640 sides we will need to unlock this but 1109 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,000 regarding ireland we will have tough 1110 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,920 discussions obviously what is the issue 1111 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:14,400 if we 1112 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,160 think we should always try to understand 1113 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,319 it's not about teaching a lesson to 1114 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,319 everyone to anyone 1115 00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:22,800 why does islands have this position 1116 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,000 because they have 1117 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,599 had and it's true difficulties 1118 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,000 because of their geography because a 1119 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,000 smaller market concern 1120 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,680 to get full access to the single market 1121 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,560 two or three decades ago and they 1122 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,760 developed a model 1123 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,480 which was based on this competitiveness 1124 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,319 what we would call now tax dumping but 1125 00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:45,119 which was 1126 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,040 a competitive advantage they probably 1127 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,240 need it 1128 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,560 i think now also through european 1129 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,240 solidarity 1130 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,240 through what we displayed in the brexit 1131 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,680 negotiation what we 1132 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,319 have concretely shown with european 1133 00:41:58,319 --> 00:41:59,680 funds 1134 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680 ireland has developed to a very 1135 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,720 impressive level 1136 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,280 it's a success story in europe and 1137 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,640 that's the only one with a very 1138 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,160 impressive success story 1139 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,480 and i think and i have the feeling 1140 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,920 ireland knows it 1141 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,119 they will have to move probably not 1142 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:18,480 overnight but to another economic 1143 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,079 model which would include 1144 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,720 to be more convergent regarding taxes to 1145 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,520 accept 1146 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,839 evolutions i know it's difficult it's 1147 00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:29,599 more difficult to accept 1148 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,400 such a move than it is for france and 1149 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,680 for other countries 1150 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,839 it is but we will need that and i 1151 00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:41,599 i don't want to threaten or to have a 1152 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,119 kind of conflict on this but we will 1153 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:46,960 need ireland to move 1154 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,800 and i think we have to explain why we 1155 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,000 have to convince 1156 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,119 we have to to say it 1157 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,960 vocally we cannot as eu because in the 1158 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,599 end it would be 1159 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,720 you fail now that there is 1160 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,599 an international consensus i hope or at 1161 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,280 least an american move 1162 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,400 we cannot fail as eu on this reform 1163 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040 it's not i think conceivable it would 1164 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,760 not be 1165 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,560 understood i think starting with our 1166 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,200 citizens 1167 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,240 all across the eu even in ireland i 1168 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,079 think 1169 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,119 we have been as europeans leading 1170 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,839 this debate we should not forget about 1171 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,280 it we have been leading this debate when 1172 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,319 the u.s was 1173 00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:32,480 blocking it for four years now 1174 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,119 that's good the u.s is moving it is the 1175 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,599 u.s moving to the 1176 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:39,920 european consensus or european overall 1177 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:40,960 position 1178 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,240 which cannot waste or spoil this moment 1179 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,480 we have a window of opportunity which is 1180 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,599 probably 1181 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,480 unique extremely positive very highly 1182 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,079 expected i think by citizens 1183 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,800 we cannot miss it we only have a couple 1184 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,920 of minutes left 1185 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,560 um so i'll take some questions from uh 1186 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,000 first from the app and then perhaps from 1187 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000 the audience if anyone has questions 1188 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,480 um a question from iman mahana i hope i 1189 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,800 i'm not mispronouncing uh the name 1190 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,200 given the economic emergencies inside 1191 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,720 the eu can they also 1192 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,040 can the eu also deliver on international 1193 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,839 development 1194 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,319 development eight commitments especially 1195 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:17,040 towards 1196 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,440 its neighbors in the south and in the 1197 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,319 east 1198 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:23,520 um and uh i want to add a guess that 1199 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,359 at the g7 summit where i was a couple of 1200 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:26,720 days ago um 1201 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,319 there was a big promise on vaccine 1202 00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:30,400 donations from european countries as 1203 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,319 well but it was not as high as expected 1204 00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:32,960 initially 1205 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,800 uh perhaps the question for mr cruz do 1206 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,800 you think the eu uh 1207 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,040 should and can keep its goals in terms 1208 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,480 of development aid 1209 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,200 given the emergency inside the eu 1210 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,240 of course and uh 1211 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,079 everybody knows that slovakia is a huge 1212 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,280 proponent of uh 1213 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,520 enlargement of the european union 1214 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,800 especially if it comes to the western 1215 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,440 balkan 1216 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,440 and uh let's not forget our very 1217 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680 important neighborhood ukraine 1218 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,720 and uh we understand that uh for 1219 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,480 some countries like france for instance 1220 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,760 also uh 1221 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,240 africa and mid-east is very important 1222 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:11,040 too 1223 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,359 uh let's discuss this topic also if we 1224 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,760 will uh broaden it to the topic of 1225 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,680 uh migration for instance which is also 1226 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,839 quite sensitive in the european union 1227 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:22,079 so uh we are ready for such a discussion 1228 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,839 it's very very important for us and 1229 00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,240 uh i'm very grateful especially for 1230 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,000 instance to the portuguese presidency 1231 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,359 now that uh they 1232 00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:32,480 dealt with this topic very openly 1233 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,400 and finally we are having gac format 1234 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:36,960 meeting 1235 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,160 uh next tuesday uh where we will open uh 1236 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,440 next chapters with 1237 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,560 montenegro and serbia to discuss and i 1238 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:44,960 hope 1239 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960 and i really hope that we'll move 1240 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,000 forward also with 1241 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,160 north macedonia and albania this is very 1242 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,599 important for this country it's a top 1243 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:52,240 priority of 1244 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,040 our foreign policy and we are also 1245 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:55,920 somehow active 1246 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,920 also in some other countries which are 1247 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,440 very important as i already mentioned 1248 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,000 for the other 1249 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,800 european countries we are having our 1250 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,520 forces in mali for instance 1251 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,160 we used to be very active in mid-east 1252 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:08,960 before 1253 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,200 so we understand how important this is 1254 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,160 for europe 1255 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,160 and europe need to be a global player in 1256 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,880 this case and uh i hope uh 1257 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,280 we are having plenty of opportunities 1258 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,640 how to be a global player 1259 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,920 so let's use them uh otherwise uh we 1260 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,400 then need to just manage uh uh the 1261 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,280 damage 1262 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,520 like the migration of 2015 2016. 1263 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160 we are slowly running out of time uh 1264 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,200 perhaps uh mr hallmeyer you want to have 1265 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,359 a few words to close the session we have 1266 00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,119 about one minute left if you you have 1267 00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,240 basically 30 seconds 1268 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,400 that's very nice thank you very much i 1269 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,400 think we are already successful if you 1270 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,480 see the kovacs initiative 1271 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,040 but we are not moving strategically mr 1272 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:53,760 bone was 1273 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,960 referring to it before i think we need 1274 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,640 really to be strategic 1275 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,520 in the development area either because 1276 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,040 if we are not doing it 1277 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,520 then others will do it um they are not a 1278 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,040 risk but they don't feel to be 1279 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,440 responsible for their own populations 1280 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240 but they move very strategically 1281 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,480 strategically in the european union and 1282 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,359 try 1283 00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:18,079 to bash the european union back or to 1284 00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,000 separate european union 1285 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,760 or to diminue our our our power 1286 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,319 so i think it's very necessary to move 1287 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,079 strategically in the development sector 1288 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:31,920 thank you mrs hallmeyer and thank you 1289 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,359 for bearing with us despite the 1290 00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:34,720 technical difficulties 1291 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,680 thanks to your to our three uh great 1292 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,880 panelists um 1293 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,800 this session is now ending refreshments 1294 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,559 will be available downstairs the next 1295 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:44,480 session here in mario theresia 1296 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,440 will start at 11 15 and we'll be talking 1297 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,760 about the western balkans thank you very 1298 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,480 much 1299 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,839 thank you 1300 00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:55,890 [Applause] 1301 00:47:55,890 --> 00:48:04,660 [Music] 1302 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,880 you