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good afternoon everyone i'm valerie

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hopkins i'm a correspondent

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for the new york times and it is my

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tremendous honor to be

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here with uh matt under secretary of

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state for political affairs victoria

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newland who

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seems to be having problems hearing me

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can you hear me

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are you there

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no okay

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it's all right we will wait to get

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things

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sorted out for a moment

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thanks for your patience well and to all

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those assembled here

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okay great fantastic so once again

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a very warm welcome to undersecretary of

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state for political affairs victoria

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nolan who i believe

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can hear me um i was introducing myself

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i'm valerie hopkins i am a new

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correspondent for the new york times um

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and it's a big pleasure to be here with

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you today

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because one of the major topics of

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conversation here

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at this globe sec has been what happened

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yesterday in geneva there's been a lot

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of speculation

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and now we are joined by someone who i

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believe was actually in the room

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um still it's the third day a lot of

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people stayed up late last night

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reading about the outcome of the summit

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so i thought we could start with a bit

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of a role play

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if you would just squint your eyes a

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little bit uh and imagine that i'm

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vladimir silenski

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and i want to know if i should be

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hopeful or a bit despondent

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after yesterday's summit uh what would

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you tell me is the biden administration

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leaving ukrainians out to dry

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well valerie first of all it's great to

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be here with all of you at globesac

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uh congratulations on a great conference

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and i'm really

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happy to be joining you again president

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biden

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as he always does stood by ukraine

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as america has made clear to president

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that ukraine's uh sovereignty

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independence

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and territorial integrity are something

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that we are profoundly committed to

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and we will continue to support ukraine

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as she works to strengthen

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her own democracy work on issues of

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economy security prosperity

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anti-corruption and that this is one of

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the areas where we do have a profound

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difference with russia

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interestingly though as you heard

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president putin say

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in his press conference

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he did raise the minsk agreements

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declared himself still committed to them

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and said he would like to see the united

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states participate

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more actively in trying to see them

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implemented again so we will obviously

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take a look at that with our ukrainian

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partners and friends

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thank you so much and um what about mr

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per did you witness any willingness by

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putin to engage

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to change his behavior at all i mean i

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think we came into the summit with

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fairly low expectations but you know

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have they been exceeded or not

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well first of all i think you heard both

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presidents say

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that the summit and the three hours of

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conversation that they had

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half of it in one plus one format half

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with the rest of us joining was

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business-like

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was professional was constructive

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our president as he said had three goals

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to be first of all to meet leader to

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because he thinks that's the best way to

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be absolutely clear

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about where we stand and to have no

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misunderstandings between us

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but he made clear that what we would

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stable and predictable relationship with

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that we are prepared to cooperate where

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we can but we will push back

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on areas where we disagree including

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with regard to issues of human rights

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and the president was very clear

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about our concern about the treatment of

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mr navalny

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about his concern about election

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interference and democratic interference

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uh in the united states about locked-up

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americans about the way the russians

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treat rferl and many other issues

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and and said very clearly to president

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that he will continue to speak out on

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um president putin heard that he also

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that when our interests are threatened

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uh we will take strong action

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so you know the question is

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does president putin want also

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a predictable and stable relationship

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he says that he does he did yesterday he

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said that he did yesterday

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but as president biden said the the

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proof of the pudding will be in the

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and we've set out a number of areas

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we're going to try to cooperate and

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we'll see what happens one is in the

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area of strategic stability follow on

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discussions about

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nuclear and conventional weapons of

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concern the other is in the area of

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so these will be early tests along with

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whether we can cooperate on things like

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humanitarian support to syria

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afghanistan etc so we'll we will see

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and but i will say that it was

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constructive in the room

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and and now we have to test uh how that

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can convert

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does that mean you're more than

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confident that the pudding will at least

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be edible

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if not incredibly tasty

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you know i think that's very much up to

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mr putin we

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started making a pudding we'll see if

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it's edible

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great thank you very much um we only

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already have 20 minutes left for this

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conversation so i want to remind the

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audience that you can submit your

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uh via the globsec app you can also

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if you have a really pressing question

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um raise your hand

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and i will come to you but we are here

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a lot of my central european colleagues

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really made me want to ask you or really

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about how some of these themes are

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reflected here in central europe

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so you just mentioned president biden's

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clear commitment to democratic

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principles and human rights

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according to a recent globsec poll

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authoritarian tendencies or support for

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the idea of a strong leader

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um have increased in the region to about

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um you know in in a lot of these central

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european countries were witnessing

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um the democratic backsliding eroding

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and as we saw uh recently in the

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hungarian parliament also increasing

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hostility to to human rights

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um do you think that that central europe

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is part of the problem or part of the

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um and how will this uh this

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some of these democratic backsliding

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tendencies interact with

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with the need for unity on issues like

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china and russia

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well i think we are concerned about

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democratic backsliding anywhere in the

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world but particularly

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some of what we've seen uh within within

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nato and eu space

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and i say this with all humility because

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we've had our own challenges

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as you know and we are working on those

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things at home as well

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but if we as nations truly believe

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uh that democracies are the better place

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and thrive than autocracies then we've

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and constantly tend our democratic

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and that's true in the united states

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so that means for all of us we've got to

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protect human rights we've got to

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strengthen rule of law we've got to

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elections we've got to support freedom

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independent judiciaries we've got to

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root out corruption which kills

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injustice discrimination on the basis of

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religion or

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gender or sexual orientation has no

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and if and we've all got to work on

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these things so we have concerns in a

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number of countries we will continue to

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speak out about them privately and and

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but but really i think for countries

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they really need to protect those levels

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of standard at home um in their own

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uh unless they wanna have their

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increasingly look like russia and china

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and be those kind of places to live

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rather than the free democracies we've

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thank you the the recent globsec poll

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uh but i wanted to go to actually a

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different data point that they have

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um which is that according to a recent

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poll from march this year

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only 35 of central european countries

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see the us as the preferred strategic

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about 60 prefer germany and here in

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only 17 percent uh listed the us as the

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top preferred strategic partner with 47

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preferring russia uh is it a priority of

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the new administration to improve these

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what kind of strategy do you have as a

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gardener do you need to sow new seeds or

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add more water

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well i'm not sure when those polls were

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told were were taken

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but as president biden said across

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his first three summits of the week at

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in the u.s eu summit

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we are back we are back to working on

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all of the great

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challenges before us as nations together

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with our allies and partners

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and not trying to to go it alone and

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uh addressing everything from covid

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to uh economic recovery to

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fairness and transparency to ensuring

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that we the democracy

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set the rules of the road rather than

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the autocracies

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and so we've taken you know a number of

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really significant steps across these

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three summits to protect

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our uh our health security the global

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economy

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our democracies our security and we've

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taken them

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together and what we want is for the

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people of our countries to

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start to see the benefit of that so you

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know just one example

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the uh g7 nations pledged

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a billion doses of vaccine

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of which the us is providing 500 million

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and we're not

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doing that you know

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with any kind of um compellence we're

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doing that because it's the right thing

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to do

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and it's the smart thing to do uh we're

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going to work together

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in the us and eu context to ensure

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that if china invests in our economies

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it's done in a transparent way and it

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meets

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high labor and environmental standards

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and that none of us is getting ripped

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off

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so these are the kinds of things we're

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trying to do together we agreed on a

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15 global corporate tax

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to ensure that we don't have an economic

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race to the bottom

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uh we've got a big fund now to compete

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with china's belt and road and help

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less developed countries on the nato

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side we're going to work harder on

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on cyber together and all of these

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things so

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you know it's been a while since the

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united states made concrete investments

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in our alliances and our relationships

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with europe

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uh but we are we are hopeful that this

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uh very strong week that we have just

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had

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uh will now convert into a real feeling

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of

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of unity and greater prosperity and

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security for all of us and uh those

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numbers are to shift

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thank you we'll check the polls next

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year at globsec again

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um i will actually go to an audience

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question uh from my

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colleague at politico sarah wheaton how

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big a problem is very brazen russian

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espionage activity in europe and what

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can be done about it i noticed she

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doesn't ask about the us but

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let's focus on europe what do you think

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is the solution

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i mean espionage of any kind is is a

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problem so

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what's most important is that we uh

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identify it that we call it out and that

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we impose costs

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as necessary and i think we've been when

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been doing

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some of that together we impose costs in

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the u.s for

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solarwinds we've seen the eu

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increasingly

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take steps and and now we're working on

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things like cybercrime and ransomware so

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this is an area we have to work on

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together

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thank you and in that vein we have

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another question from somebody who's

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mysteriously initial to wm

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uh who wants to know what will the u.s

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russia summit mean to the sino-russian

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relationship

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of which the russian president putin

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described at being at its historical

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peak

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what will the u.s russian summit do

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for russian chinese relations i think

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that's what kind of symbolism i presume

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is what mr

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wm meant yeah or how do you think

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i think that's you think this will

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affect the sign of a russian

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relationship

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you know i think that's a question for

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russians it's their relationship with

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china

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i do think that from our perspective

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you know the president made clear that

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um you know russia should be thinking

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hard

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about whether it wants to increase its

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dependency

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on china given china's global

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aspirations

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thank you

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yes we have another question from well

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we have two questions about belarus so

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uh what was discussed about belarus

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yesterday and

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and what are the next steps the u.s are

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taking i guess maybe we could ask you to

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elaborate some of the

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the real options uh that the real policy

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options that the u.s administration

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actually

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can take regarding belarus

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at this point belarus is one of those

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areas where

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in the context of the summit yesterday

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president made

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clear that we profoundly disagree with

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russia i don't think that

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either president disputed that we come

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at belarus very differently

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um and you know president biden made uh

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made absolutely clear that what what

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happened with

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the uh downing of the aircraft and

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pulling

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pulling a dissident off the plane and

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then later parading him with clear

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bruises all over him was just lawless

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uh and that we believe that the only way

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to respect

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the rights and choice of the belarusian

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people is to have

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a truly free and fair election and

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that clearly mr lukashenka is afraid of

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of doing that

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we have already imposed as has europe a

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number of sanctions

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and i think you can watch this space

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next week for more

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thank you very much um i wanted to come

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back as we mentioned china

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and one day after nato leaders expressed

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concern about china as a growing

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security threat

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and two days after the g7 pledged to

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work together against china's non-market

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economic policies and condemned to china

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over human rights abuses

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china flew an unprecedented 28 military

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planes over taiwan's airspace

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uh in one day uh the pentagon

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spokesperson john supple doubled down

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on america's support to taiwan but did i

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want to ask you did the recent

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escalation catch you and the state

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department off guard

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how worried should we be about a

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potential miscalculation

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that can escalate very quickly into a

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situation that nobody wants to be in

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yeah i mean china's intimidation of

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taiwan has been

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increasing steadily over over the recent

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period

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it's dangerous it's irresponsible we've

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been trying to send

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pop both public and private messages

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about the dangers here and about our

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firm commitment to uh to

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taiwan under the taiwan relations act so

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you know um this happens sometimes when

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you're paying attention

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at leader level to one part of the world

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another part of the world

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takes takes steps that seek to

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to gain attention and not always in

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positive ways so

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it was uh unfortunate and highly

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unwelcome

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thank you so much i'm using all the

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modern technology with the app and i

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just want to do a scan in the room to

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see if anybody does have a question that

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they haven't submitted electronically

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if not we see one we only have uh seven

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minutes so i'll ask one question from

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the app and then i can ask someone to

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come with a microphone

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to you um we have one maybe quick

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question for you here

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uh with president it's an anonymous

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question with president uh biden's focus

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on human rights and the lifting of

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sanctions on bensouda etc

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are promising signs will the u.s finally

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join the icc

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is that possibly in the cards uh

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i don't i don't think so there are a

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number of aspects of the icc that we

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don't

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think are um

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produce the best uh judicial results as

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you know our position on that is

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is well known across both republican and

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democratic

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administrations thank you so much do we

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have a microphone for

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uh this person again please where time

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is running we only have six minutes

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please introduce yourself

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very own in the largest independent

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media hungary very quickly hungary and

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parliament passed the law

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two days ago and basically there is a

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law striking

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and banning gay communities and it's

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gender equality it's even stricter than

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the russian one

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ursula for london uh published his con

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her concerns

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uh regarding the law but we haven't

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heard anything from the us

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do you plan something to do because it's

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really it's an urgent matter

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thank you thank you well thanks for

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raising this i

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think um frankly in the

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in the helter skelter of of yesterday in

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geneva

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um i i personally didn't see that this

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law had passed as i said

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earlier in this conversation

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discrimination of any kind

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and particularly on the basis of sexual

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orientation

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should have no place in a modern

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democracy we have not been shy about

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speaking out about these issues anywhere

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in the world

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including in poland and hungary but

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thank you for

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calling attention to the fact that this

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new law is passed it takes those

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countries in the wrong

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direction and i'm sure we'll be speaking

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out from washington

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thank you very much um i have another

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question so

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we witnessed actually in the last few

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days or last week

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uh kind of unprecedented use of

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magditzky sanctions

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on european union citizens uh in the

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case of bulgaria

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i'm just wondering i know that you have

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a tough anti-corruption stance you've

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now told us to watch the space regarding

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belarus but is

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is this something that we can expect

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more of and a lot more of

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uh under the new administration

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well i think if you if you've paid

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attention to what president biden has

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been saying

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for more than a decade including uh very

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strongly when he was vice president

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uh he believes that corruption is a

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democracy killer

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and that it it drains our strength

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as democracies and you know sometimes

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uh governments have difficulty

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uh tackling these issues either they

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don't have the law enforcement

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strength or their judiciaries are also

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infected etc

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and so under the global magnitsky

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statute which we've now had in the u.s

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for

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two or three years we can

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go after folks who we believe

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are abusing the

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their positions to rot their countries

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from the inside

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and or participating corrupt practices

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in and around the united states and

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that's what you saw in the bulgarian

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context

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and interestingly the bulgarian

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government was very welcoming of the

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action that we took

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because some of those actors have been

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manipulating

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uh the situation politically

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economically

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and corrupting the judicial system for a

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very very long time in bulgaria

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so i think you'll continue to see us

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using global magnitsky sanctions where

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they're appropriate both in the

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transatlantic space and globally

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thank you very much we have time for one

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more question from the audience if there

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is one

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if not i will go to slido

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um i'll be very curious to see if you

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have an answer for this

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uh but uh radhu carp is asking about uh

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the 16 critical us infrastructures which

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are off limits for interference for

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cyber attacks uh and he's asking if you

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could possibly develop

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on this yeah this was a very important

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part of the conversation yesterday as

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you know

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the u.s has experienced a number of very

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serious ransomware attacks colonial

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00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,640
pipeline

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one on our meat industry and

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uh our information is that these

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originate from russian territory so the

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president's had

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uh quite a serious conversation about

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this yesterday

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our president wants to see

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president putin make very clear

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that this is unacceptable to his own

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people

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we he wants to see law enforcement

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action

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against russian citizens who are

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involved in ransomware in the united

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states

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and they also began a conversation

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about these 16

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areas that the u.s has identified as

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critical infrastructure areas and the

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importance

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of preventing cyber attacks in these

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areas and we've passed that list to the

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to the russian government it's also

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available on us government websites

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it's everything from what you would

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expect it's electricity sector

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transport sector food sector health

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sector

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uh water these kinds of things and

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civilized nations should not be

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attacking each other's critical

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infrastructure with cyber

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or allowing uh criminals from their

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territory to do that so

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we're gonna initiate and deepen a

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dialogue with the russian federation on

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these issues and

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and test whether they're willing to join

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us

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in preventing this kind of malign

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activity and we'll see as i said that'll

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be uh

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a key piece of whether this pudding is

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tasty or not

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thank you so much thank you very much

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for for being with us today

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and uh thank you very much to the

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audience for coming on the third day

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um hope to see you again soon in person

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thanks so much thanks

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i would just like to remind the members

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of the audience that the next

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you