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hello

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bonjour and ahoy on tuesday evening we

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hosted the globesec awards ceremony at

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the bratislava castle

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where we awarded the annual czech and

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slovak transatlantic award to both

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general john allen

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and vatsville havel in memoriam and here

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are the highlights from day two

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we kicked off the day on the main stage

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hearing from the foreign affairs

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minister of slovakia and

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austria as well as the deputy foreign

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affairs minister of italy on how to

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strengthen europe's role on the

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international stage

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staying on the subject of european

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diplomacy we heard from the foreign

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affairs minister of croatia

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north macedonia and slovenia on their

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respective trajectories towards

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achieving an ever greater european

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integration

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this was followed by a lively discussion

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among foreign affairs ministers of the

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visigrad

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iv which included poland hungary czech

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republic and slovakia

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mayors from bratislava and budapest as

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well as a voice from the czech republic

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discuss the reactions of cities to the

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pandemic and the need to improve

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communications with government and

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generate more capacity in times of

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crisis

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with the meaning between biden and putin

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taking place experts from russia

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the eu and north america speculated on

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the potential outcomes and what to look

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finally we ended the day by hearing from

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renowned thinker francis fukiyama

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about the need to rebuild the

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foundations of democracy and trust

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our list of international expert and

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renowned thinkers is

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far from over so stay tuned for more

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video highlights and recaps

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good morning everyone and welcome to the

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third day

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of the globsec bratislava forum

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and welcome to this session about

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strategic and

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a strategic foresight for resilience uh

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focusing on the eu and nato in a

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post-pandemic world and

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we have been discussing uh the question

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resilience the question of lessons from

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the pandemic

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in many formats and in many aspects in

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the last two days

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but this is the time when we have

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two leaders from the two decisive euro

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euro-atlantic institutions

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in the same debate one is right next to

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me here mara shevchevich

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the vice president of the european

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commission

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for inter-institutional questions and

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foresight

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and we have joining us uh virtually

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mercedes the uh deputy secretary general

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of nato so welcome to you gentlemen um

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uh i i think we should start with uh

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personalized questions to the two

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speakers

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possible follow-up questions our time is

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rather limited

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um we have about uh 30

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therefore we need to keep it brief in

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we want to have as much as possible

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interaction

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with the audience and that includes the

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online audience of course

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so um that without further ado let me

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just um

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throw out a couple of uh a couple of

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buzzwords

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so we're talking about the the trends uh

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threatening resilience that the pandemic

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has reinforced

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uh we talked about um thinking forward

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about uh thinking and acting

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um right now about the complementarity

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of both nato and the european union

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um also about uh addressing capacity

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and of course most of all lessons for

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the future of both organizations

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so um since we just had the nato summit

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um a couple of days ago let me first

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miguel joanna from nato

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and uh ask him the question

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what role did democratic resilience

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or resilience in a broader sense play at

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the last nato summit

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and uh what are the takeaways uh for our

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debate that you would like to

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relate with us floor is yours

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thank you roland uh it's always a

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pleasure to be on the same stage

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uh albeit virtually with the with my

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very good friend from

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a long period of time uh vice president

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chef chavez marrow good to see you i i

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wanted to be there in bratislava

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physically but

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you know the uh he's very very

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complicated after our summit

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uh we've been uh debating on a on a

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physical stage just a few days ago

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the topic of resilience when we visited

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together bucharest

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inaugurated a euro-atlantic resilience

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hosted by romania let me tell you a few

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about where we stand in nato and where i

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that nato and eu could should and will

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do more together the first thing

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nato summit and if you look through the

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long final communique

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and if you look from the inside on the

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nato 2030 decisions

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by the 30 allied leaders you'll see a

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dedicated to resilience nato has been

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embarking on identifying

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and sizzling

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what you call baseline requirements on

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resilience

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basically resilience indicators this

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at the warsaw nato summit in 2016

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these indicators have been presented

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to nato allies to nations and

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every year at the national level allies

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were measuring themselves against these

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thus identifying the strong points and

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also the weaker points

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of course as you mentioned roland the

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pandemic has brought

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even more complex dimensions to the

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issue of resilience

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we are now speaking and acting and this

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is what our leaders decided

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at the nato summit to have in a renew

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resilience commitment what does it mean

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that we look even more attentively to

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existing indicators of nato but also

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will be looking even more

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attentively to a broader definition of

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supply chains issues related to

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irrelevant to our resilience who is

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investing in what and where

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in our businesses in our infrastructures

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telecommunications and so on and so

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so this is something that we have

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decided something even more interesting

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politically is that our leaders agreed

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to the proposition of secretary general

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stoltenberg

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that on an annual basis high level

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representatives

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alliance

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will be meeting and this will also be i

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between the national prerogative because

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in the end it's a national and

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subnational prerogative resilience

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but nato is a fantastic platform

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to making sure that we look at these

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things together

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and of course uh nato eu i've been

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working with maurice on this one

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uh maresh i think we've been doing this

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for the last one and a half years

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when jen stottenberg was invited for the

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by president van der lion to meet the

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college of commissioners

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uh i think the first topic chosen by the

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two organizations by the leadership of

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our two organizations

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for nato and the eu eu and nato to look

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intimately into the first one is

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resilience

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of course then it's new technologies

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then we're looking into climate change

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and to space there are lots of things

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nato and eu should and will do more

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of course you already do a lot so this

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uh a pivotal moment for the alliance as

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a whole a very successful summit

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i understand that it was a very

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successful high-level meeting between

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president biden and the eu leadership

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again a very successful g7

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meeting before and now we can also look

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with all the democratic political west

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reunited in a very positive way that the

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meeting between president biden and

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president putin in geneva which was

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you know something that was very well

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of high-level uh participations by the

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so i see a lot of potential in nato eu

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cooperation on resilience i also know

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that the toolbox of nato is not

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identical and it shouldn't be to the one

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of the eu eu has

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a number of instruments and marish

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probably will tell you more about that

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and foresight because that's the topic

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of our panel is also part of this

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because anticipating change and

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potential crisis

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is important you mentioned democratic

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i will go back to something that

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fukuyama said in the in the clip you

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presented before our panel

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it's also about the trust of our

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citizens of our public opinions

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in the institutions of democracy in our

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governments

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in what we do in international

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organizations like nato and eu

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so i do believe that societal resilience

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this is how we approach resilience as a

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comprehensive concept

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also has a very important democratic

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resiliency if you want

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some friends in the northern part of

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nato in the northern

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geographical part of nato are speaking

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already about

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citizens resilience at the even more

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micro

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level the very fundamental cell of our

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democratic societies

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and you also see here this information

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and fake news and everything which is

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uh you know uh all over the place

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so in a nutshell that's where i believe

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i believe that nato and eu on resilience

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we are natural

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strategic partners on this one and we

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stand ready

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uh and i think this will be discussed

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again between our two organizations in

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the next few weeks

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and i think resilience will be probably

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one of the first topics will move

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further in the strategic partnership

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between nato and eu

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thank you so much um let me now turn to

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uh uh uh mother chefchovitch um

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with uh i just want to highlight this

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this one point uh that indeed as mercier

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said

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nato is an intergovernmental

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organization it brings governments

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together

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but we're talking about national

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prerogatives when it comes to all these

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questions

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uh tied to uh resilience and strategic

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foresight and so on

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well uh the european union is a

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different animal

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and um so so so my my entry question to

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you to which you should then tag on

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uh your own points uh is uh

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what precisely are these instruments

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that the european union and its

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institutions the european commission

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have to put into this effort

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i think that uh also based on that

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experience of the

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of the last year i think it was quite

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clear that

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i would say such a basic tenants of the

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underlying commission for the

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for the period was that of course we

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should uh

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accelerate between green and digital

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transition

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but the kovid 19 crisis and i would say

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clear

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indication how suddenly you can disrupt

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the global value chains how you know

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you can really stop the the

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successful operation of the internal

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market because of the

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border closures clearly demonstrated

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that

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to these two very important elements we

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have to add the third one and this is

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resilient so now we will see in all our

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documents in all our policies in all our

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strategies which we are putting on the

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table

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very clear reference to the resilience

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which you now call strategic compass for

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our policies

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and of course it comes hand-in-hand with

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the new portfolio which uh i'm honored

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that uh

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from the line decided to entrust me with

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and this is the

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the fourth side because uh we see that

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this world

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will not be less complicated in the

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future i think we'll see more disruption

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we

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we see more uh dynamic uh changes we see

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how the world is

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becoming less multilateral more

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multiplayer we see the geopolitics

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geoeconomics play much much more

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significant role than

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a couple of years ago and therefore we

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are

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just looking at the foresight

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anticipatory governance

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and a very important tool for modern

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governing and what i'm always

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kind of telling and underlying to the

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foresight community

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that for foresight to be strategic it

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must be politically relevant it must be

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practical

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and it must lead to the concrete

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political decisions and therefore i'm

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glad speaking about i would say the

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institutional setup that uh

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we've been working very well with the

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portuguese presidency and just couple of

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weeks ago we set up

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the group of the ministers for the

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future of course uh there was a joke set

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i mean in that room

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that so far we've met only ministers of

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the past so now we have ministers

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for the future and i think it's very

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important because in each government you

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need

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to have somebody who would coordinated

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this anticipatory policy he would look

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on this uh

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scenario building and see what might be

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over the horizon

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around the corner so it would be better

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to prepare for that and uh come back to

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mirchas point i think that uh this is

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clearly i would say the contribution of

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central and eastern europe because if i

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look at uh

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at romania the fact that we have now eu

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cyber center

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located in bucharest that romania

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decided to go

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for creation of euro-atlantic resilience

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uh

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center and also the fact that we are

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discussing these topics here in brazil

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it just shows that uh maybe because we

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are more exposed

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uh you know to the to the to the east

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and to the

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big neighbor to the east we kind of you

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know perceive uh

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the need uh to be at the forefront of of

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this discussion and

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for not speaking too long i would just

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uh

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mention one very important tool which

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now

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you will see being i would say

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officially introduced in all member

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states across the eu

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and this is the 750 billion euros

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which our president will be

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announcing uh um i think uh we started

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with portugal

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now she's traveling to spain uh very

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soon she will also will

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be welcomed here in slovakia where

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exactly

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uh the green digital and resilient

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policies

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would be those sectors where the 750

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billion euros should be should be

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invested and that's i think one of the

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very important tools we have at our

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disposal

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because it comes with a combination of

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the usual budget so we are talking about

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1.85 trillion euros

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uh and therefore i think this should be

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indeed such a

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european marshall plan moment when we

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can prepare

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our countries and our infrastructure for

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the economic

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economies and politics of the 21st

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century and i'm sure that brazilians

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will be a big part of it

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thank you so much madras before i ask a

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follow-up question let me remind the

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audience

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online and here in in the room

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uh that you can ask questions via the uh

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slido function of your globsec

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app so um please go ahead

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ask the first question and meanwhile

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um let me let me um focus on this

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uh on the foresight aspect

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december 2019 uh i don't think

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that the commission was planning for a

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pandemic

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or something uh now we have it

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um what is the

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you know and and this this was called

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this is a so-called black swan

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uh event a a disruptive

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disruptive development which which is

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not foreseen

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what's the black swan uh event that you

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would envisage uh right now i think that

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this is always a bit of a it's a

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misleading perception that

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the good forsighters have a crystal ball

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unfortunately we don't

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but i think what is very important uh

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to work with so-called scenarios so

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currently we are monitoring uh

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17 mega trends and see how they can

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play into the future policies uh what

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the the climate change will do with

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migration waves

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how the demography would impact the

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economic performance

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in europe what would be the the new

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economic power centers

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role in the future and where we want to

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be

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in 2030 in in 2050 and then

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there is a technique which is called

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back casting how from that

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vision which we want to achieve uh

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should come

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to these days and really adopt

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the policies which would bring us to

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that preferred preferred scenario so i

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think that

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uh the the best black swans are those

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which never materialized because we

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anticipated them and therefore you never

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heard of them

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uh but the truth is that if we look in

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the past be it financial meltdown

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beat migratory crisis or be covered 19

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i think there was writing on the wall

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that something like this is happening

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but the problem was that the foresight

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community was kind of voicing that

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this might have happened but it was kind

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of inconvenient truth and there was not

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political channel which could bring it

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to the decision makers and

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policy makers like please you leaders be

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aware that something like this is coming

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so this is what we are now

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overcoming and making sure that this uh

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horizon scanning or

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you know the the the future uh possible

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huge problems

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uh will be communicated to the top

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political level so we can

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anticipate we can prevent it or we can

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uh prepare decisions i think

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of of course the obvious uh dangers in

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the in the future

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are cyber security climate change

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migratory pressure and therefore we are

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already uh

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right now preparing adopting the

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policies to to minimize the possible

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negative negative fallout and that's uh

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we do very closely with uh

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with mirchia because we are working

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together on critical infrastructure

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on dual use of let's say transport uh

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transport routes across the europe and

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also on the future technologies on ai on

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uh

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screening of the foreign direct

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investment we had just adopted a

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new uh regulation in europe that every

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foreign direct investment or 500

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million euros will have to be screened

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if it's not some kind of hidden agenda

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behind it

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and we invested a lot in uh strategic

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autonomy my next

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annual four-sided report would be

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exactly about that the first one was in

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resilience now we are going to focus on

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open strategic

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autonomy just simply to be better

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prepared for this

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harsh world of today excellent thank you

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much thank you very much uh

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can we do this slido poll now i would

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like to give you

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a multiple choice question

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about who should take the lead in

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strengthening

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democratic resilience in europe and

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please choose between four options

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nato the european union national

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governments

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or civil society and

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we're being very politically correct

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here

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so i'll give this a few more seconds

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uh it's getting a little bit more even

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yeah let's uh let's let's leave this

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aside for a little bit and

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come come back in a minute or so uh

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but in the meantime um well turning to

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miracea again

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uh just very briefly uh with the more

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classical heart security focused

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question of

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uh comparing the threats we face

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from china and from russia what has been

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the interplay between the two

578
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,120
recently um we all know that china has

579
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,320
never been mentioned as

580
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,440
often in a nato document as uh in the

581
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,279
last after the last summit

582
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,400
and uh so how how do you see

583
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,520
these two challenges uh evolving

584
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,679
for europe and for the west

585
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,279
listen the coming back just one second

586
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,279
to resilience

587
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,840
when we speak at nato the same thing the

588
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,480
eu

589
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,799
the same thing in national governments

590
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,240
sub-national governments or

591
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,320
civil society and our citizenry

592
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,400
when we speak about societal resilience

593
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,200
we speak about the

594
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,200
indispensable interconnection

595
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,240
on a permanent basis between government

596
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600
public sector private sector and our

597
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
civil society and our citizens there's

598
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,120
no way

599
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,440
in the complex world we are living now

600
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,360
and this will become

601
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,200
an any foresight any potential futures

602
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,919
the plural are indicating that we are

603
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:36,559
the moment

604
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,039
of fantastic turmoil and global

605
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:40,960
realignment

606
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,279
this means that in nato the very

607
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,120
definition of security not only of

608
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:45,919
resilience

609
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,960
is broadening we have adopted that our

610
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,520
summit

611
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,679
an action plan on the security

612
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:53,679
implications of climate change maharaj

613
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:54,559
of course

614
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,640
in his foresight capacity for the

615
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,080
european commission

616
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,679
is actively looking into that we are

617
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:01,520
looking to the security implications of

618
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,320
climate change

619
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,279
and they are massive we are looking into

620
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,480
cyber

621
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,159
and again this is something which is

622
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:09,919
happening every day this was also a

623
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:11,840
dominant part of the

624
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,320
biden putin high level meeting yesterday

625
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,520
in geneva

626
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,840
and also our leaders at the nato summit

627
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,799
adopted

628
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,840
a new even more robust

629
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,520
nato cyber defense policy

630
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,919
we anticipate that global competition

631
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:29,440
and this is also relates to the rise of

632
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,399
china

633
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:33,520
and to the uh disruptive

634
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760
way in which russia actions in many many

635
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,279
of this

636
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,559
multi-domain security conversation

637
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,760
is that outer space space is becoming a

638
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,559
place

639
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:49,360
of ever more intense global competition

640
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
this is why i was happy to sign with our

641
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,760
allies from luxembourg

642
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
a a new investment we have here in nato

643
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,840
headquarters in brussels where i'm

644
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,840
speaking you from on a strategic

645
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,520
oversight of space

646
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,360
activities that we are also working into

647
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,000
speaking of potential issues where also

648
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,720
china is

649
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520
already playing a big role is not only

650
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,200
about global trade

651
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,840
and not only about supply chains and not

652
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,720
only about

653
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
fdi screening not only about 5g

654
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,720
and security but also to issues that we

655
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
are witnessing today and this will be

656
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,600
only even more intense competition in

657
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:32,640
the future

658
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480
which is the competition for rare

659
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,480
materials

660
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,480
which is the competition of microchip

661
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,760
production

662
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,640
which is the issue of the european

663
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,480
commission and european union are doing

664
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,600
a fantastic pivot towards a different

665
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200
kind of economic model

666
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,080
with green with more digital with more

667
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,120
resilient

668
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,679
this means that we'll also be witnessing

669
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:56,640
tremendous

670
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,200
transformations of our economic models

671
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,000
but also

672
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,399
we will be witnessing probably

673
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:03,039
additional

674
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,120
vulnerabilities for the new economic

675
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,240
model not only for the

676
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,159
old one or the current one that's why

677
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:09,679
the idea of the ministers of the future

678
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:10,720
i think is bright

679
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,760
living aside the the the self irony that

680
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,120
i see in maharashi's voice

681
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080
on on on the definition of this so what

682
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,039
i'm just saying

683
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,840
that china's rise is one of the most

684
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,880
important moments

685
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,159
in in in in human history

686
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:27,919
it's not only the last decades i think

687
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:29,440
is the last five centuries

688
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,360
since the west has been dominating in

689
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,880
various incarnations

690
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,720
uh the world this is why for us in nato

691
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760
keeping our technological edge investing

692
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,559
and adopting

693
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,240
technologies also when it comes to

694
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,600
defense and security

695
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,679
is something which is which is critical

696
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:46,960
for maintaining

697
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,360
uh our superiority and let me tell you

698
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,679
something which goes back to democracy

699
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:54,960
is this not only about economic

700
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,240
competition

701
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,600
or gdp uh or how much

702
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,440
defense spending you do they're all very

703
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,799
important they're part of

704
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,760
hard and soft power but in the end this

705
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,360
is a struggle

706
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,120
between democracies the need to improve

707
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,159
they need to be more

708
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,640
responsive to the criticism of our

709
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,519
citizens

710
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,840
on the way the state of affairs in our

711
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,679
societies in the political democratic

712
00:31:21,679 --> 00:31:22,720
west

713
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,799
but nonetheless the competition between

714
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,279
democracy and authoritarian regimes

715
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,279
this is something that is the most

716
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,360
important and ethical fight

717
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,080
of our lifetimes for us in central and

718
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,240
eastern europe because we lived

719
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,000
at my age i lived half of my life in

720
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
communism half of my life

721
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320
in freedom and democracy and for me

722
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,600
there is absolutely no

723
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,279
question about the vital interest

724
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,000
of us in the political west in europe in

725
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,760
north america with our democratic

726
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,039
friends all over the world

727
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,399
that we have to engage and fight and win

728
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,200
this fight

729
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,440
there is no way that somebody can

730
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,200
convince i think people from our part of

731
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,640
the world and i think from all over the

732
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,919
political west

733
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:06,559
that living in an authoritarian country

734
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,399
is better than living in a free open

735
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:11,519
society that having the right to choose

736
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,679
and get rid of your leaders through

737
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:15,120
democratic elections

738
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,159
is something that is less efficient uh

739
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,559
in in in the mid and long term than

740
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:21,760
authoritarian

741
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,200
never-ending you know personal uh

742
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,399
uh uh you know autocratic movements in

743
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:29,519
many other countries

744
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,159
so this is a very complex issue and if

745
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:32,559
you look

746
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,399
through this big big discussion we have

747
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:36,799
today you can also anticipate

748
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,840
uh in terms of foresight uh

749
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,320
not only the the eventual black swans

750
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,600
but also the grey

751
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,720
rhinos the things that are here and

752
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,480
after the lessons of the pandemic i

753
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,679
don't think we have the luxury

754
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,120
politically speaking

755
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,760
to ignore the signs of things that we

756
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,279
know are coming

757
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,120
and we have no absolutely really sorry

758
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,799
to interrupt at this point

759
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,279
but we're running short of time milsia

760
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,320
i'm so sorry

761
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
so the the the slido poll has evolved

762
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,720
democracies and i know i know i always

763
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,519
speak to too much

764
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,600
i so agree i mean it it hurts me more

765
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,799
than it hurts you

766
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,840
uh to interrupt at this point but uh so

767
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,360
this slider poll has evolved uh and the

768
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
the national governments have kind of

769
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,840
overtaken the rest

770
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,760
um but you know i think the most

771
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760
important answer that i didn't

772
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,240
offer you of course is that all of the

773
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,120
above

774
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,279
obviously and that's what this session

775
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:34,240
is really about

776
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,679
it is about how we interact um

777
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:41,120
and the one of one of one of my uh

778
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,440
goals in this was also to emphasize

779
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,799
civil society

780
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,440
does play a role in democratic

781
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,279
resilience

782
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,480
and so can we can we just have short

783
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
short comments uh uh from uh from the

784
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,880
two speakers here on the

785
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,080
uh question of who does what yes i i

786
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,840
think that uh just to

787
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,360
uh kind of complement the the merchant's

788
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480
response when yesterday we discussed

789
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,520
with uh

790
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,639
our president what was her main takeaway

791
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,760
from g7 from eu summit

792
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,480
she said that there was striking

793
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,639
consensus that uh

794
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,679
the leaders decided that it's even more

795
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:24,800
important than ever

796
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,679
to stand up for democracy so despite of

797
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:28,800
all the economic

798
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,639
uh defense future anti-talks

799
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,599
that was the main takeaway and i think

800
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,239
it just reflects

801
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,280
the the discussion we have here uh

802
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,839
today that the the feature and success

803
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:45,199
of our society

804
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,760
is based on democratic performance and

805
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,359
on democratic system

806
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,679
and let's be honest i mean democratizing

807
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,280
the democrats is under pressure i mean

808
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,839
if you looked

809
00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,000
up through different statistics um

810
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,440
actually over the last five years the

811
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,960
number of democratic

812
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
countries in in in the world is not

813
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,000
growing but it's

814
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,440
it's uh it's uh uh coming uh

815
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,839
you know to the to the lower number so

816
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:09,599
it's a challenge which you have to

817
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:11,359
work with but nevertheless uh i would

818
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:12,880
say this clearly

819
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,839
stand up for democracy this i would say

820
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:17,200
very united

821
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,119
uh approach and why how this was

822
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,320
discussed it's

823
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,720
for me absolute sea change from uh

824
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,720
the discussions we had not so long ago

825
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,839
in munich when

826
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:29,599
ambassador richinger was talking about

827
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,920
restlessness so west is back

828
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,440
and it's good for democracy and it's

829
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,280
good for the people who are uh who are

830
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,000
living

831
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
in a democratic society and coming back

832
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,359
to your

833
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:42,079
questions who does what as you i think

834
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:42,560
as

835
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,079
as a people answered the questions i

836
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,160
mean that's a role for all of us

837
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,200
and i think uh here we never can uh

838
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,599
uh do uh enough because i think

839
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,240
that all of us have a role to play and

840
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,000
very often we are discussing the

841
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,960
question of

842
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,440
you know communication of the eu why

843
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,880
it's so difficult to understand our

844
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,119
policies why the people have a feeling

845
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:05,599
of

846
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,680
democratic deficit why very often the

847
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,880
perception of the

848
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440
uh eu is not so glamorous as it should

849
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,079
be

850
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,560
and what i am saying is that it's very

851
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,359
difficult

852
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,680
to to talk over the heads of national

853
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,400
leaders

854
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,160
so what i want to say is that when we

855
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160
are talking about democratic resilience

856
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,680
there must be the same messages coming

857
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,520
from the national level from the eu

858
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,000
level

859
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
i know that civic society will do their

860
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,440
part and of course

861
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,839
the nato as a hard power institutions

862
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:36,880
is offering the solutions how to protect

863
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640
the democratic countries thank you so

864
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,000
much i take

865
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,320
one question from the audience uh to

866
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,079
mitchell joanna

867
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how would you align the threat

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assessments and the national resilience

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commitments in the two

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strategic documents of the eu and nato

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the strategic compass

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for the european union the strategic

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concept for nato so can you

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just and really two minutes floor is

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yours

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listen uh the nato summit reconfirmed 30

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allies and many of the leaders are also

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leaders of eu member states they

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reconfirm nato as

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the prime platform for transatlantic

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dialogue and political convergence on

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everything relating to security

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everything relating to security

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including economic uh

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issues including resilience including

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many things that we have discussed

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and let me come back to to what i

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believe is the essence

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of our conversation the resources

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of the political west are finite by

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definition

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we are in an era of great power

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competition and for the first time

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we could god forbid not continue to be

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number one

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in terms of influence and and rules and

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norms

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we we propose to the world and the rise

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of china is

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a part of this conversation so when it

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comes to

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the political consequences

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of this new global reality the political

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consequences of the pandemic the

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political consequences

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of the realization here in the west

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of the changes in the world there's no

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other way

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than for nato and eu to make sure

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that the nato new next strategic concept

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that will be ready

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by the madrid summit in 2022 and the

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strategic compass of the eu that will be

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ready during the french presidency of eu

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council

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are converging and complementary not

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identical but converging and

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complementary

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if we do this we are on the safe side of

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history

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thank you so much i think uh we could

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continue this uh actually we should uh

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in

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uh talks in the corridors and then the

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coffee break and and so on

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but we have to wrap it up at this point

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um

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i think the the the decisive uh takeaway

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here

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is that it's it's a multi-pronged effort

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nato and the european union will both

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have to

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will have to closely cooperate and they

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will both have to play their respective

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strengths

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in a common effort to increase

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strategic foresight for strengthening

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resilience and the last thought that i

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want to leave you with here

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uh it is about democracy

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versus authoritarianism this is the

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overarching struggle

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of the upcoming decade decades probably

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pure plural that will

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shape our era and the west

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indeed stands a fighting chance in this

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if we

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stick together and we stay confident so

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thank you so much for being here

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for participating in the debate um

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thanks to our two

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speakers uh milchia joanna and mario

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chefchovich

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and with that i thank you very much and

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wish you

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fruitful further debates thank you thank

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you

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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you