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ladies and gentlemen

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please welcome the moderator of the

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first habsburg stage session

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tyson barker

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all right hello everybody

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and welcome to the start of the day the

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start of the habsburg

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uh conference room i am delighted to

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have you guys here i'm tyson barker from

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the german council on foreign relations

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and we are going to be talking about

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transatlantic tech today and i think

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there are very few issues that could be

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more timely especially given the fact

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we are just at this exact moment in

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brussels

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a usu summit is taking place president

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biden

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is meeting with the leaders of the eu to

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discuss exactly these issues

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so what we want to do today is give you

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guys a little preview of what we think

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they should be discussing and what might

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be on the agenda

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um i think we're all aware that when the

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u.s delegation came to europe they

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highlighted what they called the three

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as their priorities covid china and

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but i want to add three more c's to that

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uh to to round it out

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i want to add uh connectivity commerce

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and cyber

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and i think that all three of these c's

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which deal with the the digital agenda

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are enabling of the rest of the

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transatlantic agenda generally

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and what we want to see in a democratic

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world order

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um we had this meeting at the g7 there

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was some discussion around

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uh digital technology and specifically

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countering

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ict and the belton road initiative at

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nato yesterday they announced

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new work on emerging disruptive

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technologies

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uh and today they're going to be

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launching what we assume

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will be a trade and tech council to

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really delve into these issues

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and a question that i have you know

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looking at the rule book that the

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european commission is planning is are

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we looking at perhaps the hidden g2

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for democratic tech and to answer that

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question

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we have four excellent speakers with us

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here with me today on the stage is fran

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uh fran came to us from the united

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states so welcome fran to

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to slovakia into europe fran

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is a distinguished fellow at the

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atlantic council and a senior director

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at mclarty associates

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and then joining us virtually we have

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three additional speakers we have anna

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asimakopoulou who is a member of the

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parliament from the epp group from

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she is also the vice chair on the

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committee for international trade

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and a member of the special committee on

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in the digital age so thank you anna

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michelle for being with us virtually

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third we have anna fiedler fielder

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she is the president of edri in brussels

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rights for a number of years she's

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discussions around digital rights

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privacy and data protection

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advisor to the transatlantic consumer

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dialogue and really put these issues

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on the consumer the transatlantic

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consumer dialogues

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agenda at the inception of this dialogue

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in 1998. so welcome anna thank you for

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joining us remotely as well

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and last but not least we have marta

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larta is the head of public policy and

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for central and eastern europe and the

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transatlantic policy lead

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at google she is also a humanity in

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action senior fellow

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an aspen institute young leader and an

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alumnus of the helsinki foundation

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for human rights program welcome marta

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thanks for joining us as well

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thank you for having me today today all

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with fran so we've got this this big

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idea this transatlantic trade and tech

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a lot of uh wish lists out there for

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what should be on the agenda

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what do you think should be the

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priorities how do you scope this type of

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council well i think it's a good

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initiative first i mean i think it's an

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important initiative because it's time

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for the us

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and for the eu to talk together on these

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issues however there is a long history

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of dialogues councils between the united

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states and the eu

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fading into obscurity and we don't want

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i think the number one important point

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is simply to put these items

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in a more prominent place in the agenda

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is a major transatlantic

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market and just to give you one data

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uh the united states companies

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200 billion dollars worth of information

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in europe compared to 3.5 billion in

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21 billion in latin america so just so

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you see what a what a market

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the transatlantic market is so it's

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important to address that in a sustained

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continuing manner and to get policy

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makers to actually

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talk about these things we do suspect

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that the the

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first priority of this will be the easy

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priority the

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the thing on which we already agree

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more resilient infrastructures uh

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cyber security standards and all of

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these types of things that

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we both the united states and europe see

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as important for our digital economies

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so a very positive agenda on that

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however it's the trade and tech council

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and there's clearly at least in the

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documents that have been leaked so far

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they're clearly and in the reports that

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have emerged there clearly is an element

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of keeping trade in this

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in this uh council and it's not clear to

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trade barriers and things like that it's

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mesh well together but we'll have to see

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trade and tech council has a mandate

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right now to talk about some of the more

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challenging issues such as competition

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privacy and some of the other many

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challenging issues that we find for

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example in trying to

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restore data trend or in trying to

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companies about data transfers between

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the eu so there are a lot of issues

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we're not quite clear

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we'll have to see we're not quite clear

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who's going to lead it and whether they

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the required ability to reach throughout

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the u.s government and throughout the

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commission and the eu

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to bring forces together to have a

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really constructive discussion

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but it's an important step forward we

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should all give everyone a big round of

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applause for doing this

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and now uh we'll have to see how it

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thanks so much for that that opener anna

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michelle you're watching this from the

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you are in the uh both in the trade

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very senior role in the trade committee

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uh one of the big issues that keeps

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technical standards and a lot of the

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leaks that have come out already

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talk about standard setting convergence

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the role of the us and eu working

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together to really set these standards

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where do you see potential here and

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well tyson first of all thanks for

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having me it's great to be discussing

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this really important topic with such

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um you you mentioned the three c's uh i

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think we're now waiting for the three ds

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we're waiting for the leaders to deliver

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and we're waiting for a deal and we're

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waiting for them to do what is necessary

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um so having said that i agree that you

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know we're waiting for this uh trade and

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it's definitely a move in the right

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direction it'll definitely be dealing

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this is what i expect to be on the table

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um standards across the board even for

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pharmaceuticals for example

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quantum computing so these these are the

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issues i would see there and

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but quite frankly i think that we need

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to find a short-term solution that will

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provide at least some sort of certainty

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to industry after all we're talking

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about a trillion euros a year worth of

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uh commerce of which data is sort of a

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we need some certainty even if we

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proceed in a

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more multilateral context for a longer

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now on the trade aspects delighted to

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vp dumb brusque has just tweeted that

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there's a deal on

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on airbus and boeing from what i

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understand this is sort of a five-year

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until we can figure out how to deal with

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this and how to deal with subsidies

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across the board maybe with china

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good news it certainly shows that there

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a will and frankly when where there is a

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there is a way and that goes for

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steel as well because this is a big

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i mean you can't really say we're

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partners and in nato and that we're a

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threat to national security so um

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232 safeguards and standards uh

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steel tariffs need to need to be

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addressed at some point with respect to

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trade

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now i agree that we don't want this

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council to turn into just you know

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another discussion forum it sounds to me

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like

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because of the high level leadership um

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it's going to be something that has lots

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of potential to progress

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and in order to do so we need i think

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a strict timetable set deliverables

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and we need to put our priorities to get

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our priorities straight

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and our priorities definitely have to be

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around

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common standards the european union is

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now has an

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ai act on the table i don't see why that

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can't be an excellent starting point for

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a discussion

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and in the trade sector i think we need

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to talk about supply chains

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these are issues that affect both of us

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uh resilience

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and diversification of supply chains we

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need to talk about semiconductors we

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need to talk about critical raw

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materials

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if we're going to deal with uh climate

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change effectively in our digital

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transformation so

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i think i'll stop at that it's an

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ambitious agenda

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but it's an essential agenda and

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i'll just say that what we need to be

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doing more than

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ever now is burying the hatchet and

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and focusing on what brings us together

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and not on what

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could set us apart thanks so much anna

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michelle

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anna uh anna michelle mentioned where

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there's a will there's a way

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and fran mentioned some of the the tough

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issues the sticky issues one of which

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was privacy

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shield anna michelle mentioned shrems ii

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the decision

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clearly we have a lot of uncertainty

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right now in the transatlantic personal

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data flow space

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what do you see as the likelihood that

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we can get to a solution

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on a new privacy shield to create

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certainty for transatlantic data flows

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and what do you think

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needs to happen to get there

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well first of all thank you very much

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for having me at this important meeting

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just to clarify edri stands for european

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digital rights which is

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europe's sole community for digital

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rights advocates we have about 45 member

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organizations

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your important questions i largely agree

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with

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fran's analysis and data flows and the

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privacy shield is the elephant in the

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room that needs to be addressed

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however as sure if there is a new

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privacy shield assurance night comes

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after day there will also be a shrems

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number three so

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as a digital rights community we think

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that really

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the only long-term solution is for the

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u.s

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to modify its events laws and practices

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because that's what the cgiu judgement

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was based on

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this is not just our opinion about three

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days ago or so

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vice president vera eurover said exactly

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the same

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thing in a in a public meeting

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she said pass new laws if you want data

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transfer

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deal um so that's very important

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but also uh last but not least

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you've got the whole u.s digital rights

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community

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consumer groups and digital right groups

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are all agreeing that

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having an effective federal level

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privacy legislation

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it's not just good for you consumers

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it's what the u.s

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people want as well and have wanted for

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many years in fact a coalition of them

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have recently written to president biden

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require requiring such laws to be

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implemented

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in 2019 there were no less than

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11 data protection privacy law proposal

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proposals in the u.s congress none of

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them have been

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implemented so far we assume because

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there is no will in the senate to

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support it

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uh so you know that is the long term

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uh viable solution

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i'll stop now i have a lot to add on the

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rest of the agenda which is by the way

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very welcome and timely

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thank you thanks so much anna marta

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as as anna mentioned this is a pretty

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broad agenda and you know

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when you talk about tech policy these

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days you're just really talking about

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policy because

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tech touches on everything digital

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touches on everything

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and one of the things that it touches on

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is is the strategic

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orientation that europe wants to create

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and they have created a term

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uh that is used often in brussels in

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paris and berlin

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which is digital sovereignty and i want

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to ask you

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what does what do you see under this

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term how does central europe work with

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this term

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and how what does this mean for the

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transatlantic digital relationship this

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idea of digital sovereignty

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thank you so much tyson uh hello

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everyone uh it's great to be here and

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first of all i would just like to

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recognize how

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um how great this is that we're in an

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almost all female panel on transatlantic

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issues doesn't happen very often so well

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done

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uh to the to the organizers especially

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on this um

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very special day of the eu us uh summit

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that is happening

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in the background or actually has just

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um concluded

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um thank you for your great question on

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on on

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um on strategic directions europe wants

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to take

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um over say past 18 months we've

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we've heard different concepts different

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interpretations

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be it strategic autonomy sovereignty

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digital

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sovereignty and i would say that uh

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looking at the

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sequence of what happened in the past uh

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few days with the president biden's

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uh visit to g7 uh nato conversations

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yesterday

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i think there are foundations to start

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looking into strategic interdependence

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my view is that no matter how you

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interpret digital sovereignty still

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a more negative take could be uh taking

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um out of that uh discussion and i

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honestly feel that after

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a few or three years of the

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transatlantic uh relationship

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and looking at the commitments already

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made throughout the past

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five days uh interdependence is what we

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should be looking at

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recognizing everything that both sides

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bring to the table

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or more sites when you look at broader

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forms like

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g7 but i think if there is one

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commitment

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that stands out from all the summits

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that have taken

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uh place uh is a joint recognition of

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global threats

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and needs to work um together

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and that should be uh and and that

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should be the

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the takeaway together with everything

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that uh my other co-panelists uh brought

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up they're very concrete

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uh things of the on the table be it

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trade

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uh issues one an erased uh or private

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shield

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than than that other um a race what i

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would add to the mix

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um is that i truly believe that if we

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want

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ttc to be a meaningful tool we should

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already look

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uh into what is being discussed on both

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sides of the atlantic like for example

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dsa

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and dma in europe that would have a

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significant transatlantic

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effect would have a global effect on how

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technology uh

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works and that's where we would see uh

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meaningful outcomes um of the of the ttc

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and i think when it comes to centro and

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eastern europe in specific and a take on

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strategic

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um strategic um

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beat autonomy or digital uh sovereignty

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i i would say that

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there is probably kind of a distinction

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when it comes to

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take the takes of of governments uh in

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this region and i think that comes from

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um from uh that that is for two

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reasons one is historical and

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and the role of the us uh in in

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shaping post-communist uh countries and

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and

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and probably a greater openness uh to

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seek diversity of

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for in this case um tech supply

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and uh and the second reason um to it

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is this hunger for catching up and

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leapfrogging and seeking

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all possible um opportunities uh

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globally

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um to really get the best access uh to

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solutions be

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beat within tech or other um industries

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and i could only wish that

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uh this part of europe would be will be

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playing an even more significant role in

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the debate of

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on on future strategic directions

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thanks so much marta uh we're going to

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do another round and i want to mention

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now

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that we're going to open it up for

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questions there are three ways that you

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guys can ask

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questions we have an audience here we're

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back in

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we're slowly edging into post-covet

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times and we do have an audience

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if you are in the audience there are

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microphones on the side so just raise

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your hand and go to one of the mics

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otherwise you can ask a question on

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slido over the globesec

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app or you can ask a question over zoom

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so we've got three opportunities three

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ways to ask questions and please start

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to

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start to think of what you want to ask

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our great panelists friend i want to

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pick up on this issue of

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digital sovereignty because it's

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something that you hear a lot

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in brussels in berlin and paris i don't

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know if you hear as much of it

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in central europe but you're sitting in

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washington how does washington

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interpret this kind of strategic

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doctrine or orientation and what do they

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see behind it

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well i think it is uh kind of a mystery

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to many in washington as to why this has

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become so important

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i think to some degree washington needs

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some consciousness raising

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i think that if we found for example

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that

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we were all buying stuff on a french

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marketplace and we were getting our

579
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,159
information

580
00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:03,200
from a german company

581
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,440
that we would want to think again

582
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,080
about the balance of where companies are

583
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,120
and why we hadn't done

584
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,520
so well in creating companies but

585
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,360
there's a difference between

586
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,200
creating companies and supporting

587
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,120
research and things like that

588
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,400
and and i think that in the united

589
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,440
states when people

590
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,520
hear about europe's uh horizon 2020 and

591
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,520
other plans uh the the in the

592
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,960
recovery fund 20 going to digital

593
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,960
that's all great the question is

594
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,120
does the type of thing does digital

595
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:42,840
sovereignty start leading into

596
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,080
protectionism

597
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,559
and we've had a couple of instances

598
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,520
where it has at first appeared that way

599
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,559
and then it has moderated but sometimes

600
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,720
not all the way for example there are

601
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,559
lots of american companies that are

602
00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:57,360
engaged

603
00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,240
in gaia x the cloud service providing

604
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:00,559
but

605
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,760
not on the governing council and so

606
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,679
that is a question mark um

607
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:10,240
the dma the digital markets act was was

608
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,600
mentioned and i think that this is

609
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,080
probably

610
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,559
the biggest question one that as far as

611
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,480
we can tell is not really on the tech

612
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,440
and trade

613
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,640
the trade and tech council agenda but as

614
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,480
as this proposal is written right now

615
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,159
it looks like it will be a series of

616
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:27,760
laws that apply only to

617
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,240
american companies that have that only

618
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,600
american companies will have reached the

619
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,240
threshold where this law will apply

620
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,760
so i think that digital sovereignty

621
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,159
is something that in the united states

622
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:41,520
raises question about

623
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,440
sovereign from whom aren't we supposed

624
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,360
to be in this together

625
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,280
and i think that the notion

626
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,400
and the ability to

627
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,280
overcome the misunderstandings that such

628
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,640
a term can create

629
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,640
is one of the principal benefits that i

630
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,240
hope we will see from

631
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240
the tech from the turret and tech

632
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,640
council

633
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,000
anna michelle you know just looking at

634
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,440
this through the context of digital

635
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,240
sovereignty

636
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,840
you know we have the digital services

637
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,360
act which really deals with

638
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,200
content moderation and we have the

639
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280
digital markets act which is looking at

640
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,440
tipping and gatekeepers and and market

641
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,400
power of digital services

642
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,960
and there is an impression that both are

643
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,320
kind of tailored

644
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,320
to the experience that has occurred over

645
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,080
the past 15 years

646
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,400
of online platforms primarily coming out

647
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,919
of the united states

648
00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:35,600
but if you look at the artificial

649
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520
intelligence regulation

650
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000
there is a lot of reflection there of

651
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,720
the experience we're seeing in china

652
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,320
i was wondering if you could talk a

653
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,000
little bit about the deliberations in

654
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,600
the european parliament when you look at

655
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,640
things like

656
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,320
social scoring and how that's being

657
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,000
implemented into the regulation or

658
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,279
things like

659
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,559
remote biometric identification etc

660
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,039
and to what extent is that inflected by

661
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,840
new experiences and rising powers like

662
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,159
china

663
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,799
i'd say it's uh this is a vivid and

664
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:08,000
vibrant discussion

665
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,320
in the parliament uh in the context of

666
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,480
all this legislation that's on the table

667
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,159
that you discussed but

668
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:16,559
um generally when we talk about these

669
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,159
emerging technologies

670
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,960
and i think that these are points of

671
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,480
major points of

672
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,039
potential convergence with the with the

673
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:26,799
united states because when you talk

674
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,679
about

675
00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:30,720
you know what how thing how these

676
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,000
technologies can actually be

677
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,679
used then you have to talk about the

678
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:35,919
principles that guide them and the rules

679
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,039
that will

680
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,720
um guide that will regulate this entire

681
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,000
situation and

682
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320
i understand that uh this discussion

683
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,960
that we just had about tech sovereignty

684
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,919
and um open strategic autonomy i

685
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,080
understand that this you know

686
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,080
makes these you know little bells ring

687
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,760
in the back of our heads because

688
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,000
we're not just talking about protection

689
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,600
which we have joint interest in

690
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,679
sometimes but protectionism and

691
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:03,760
that's not at all how i see it in fact

692
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,679
um i just

693
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,919
coming coming full circle around this

694
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:09,200
issue

695
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,480
when we talk about autonomy in in

696
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,039
europe strategic autonomy one of the

697
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:16,720
reasons that we're doing it is that we

698
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,240
we want to become stronger

699
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,080
geopolitically and quite frankly the

700
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,840
stronger the stronger we become the

701
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,919
stronger partners we can be

702
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:26,640
for the united states and for the world

703
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,159
a chain is only as strong

704
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,799
as as each of its of its links and

705
00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,799
actually i like to remind people because

706
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:33,600
i'm

707
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,400
i'm greek um that autonomy is a greek

708
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:36,799
word

709
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,600
it comes from aftos which means self and

710
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,360
nomus which means law

711
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,320
and literally what it means is you're

712
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,840
safeguarding your right

713
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,320
to make the rules and this is what this

714
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,960
is about

715
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,279
this is about who who has the power

716
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,919
depends largely on who makes the rules

717
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:57,039
in the digital age who decides whether

718
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,159
social scoring is acceptable um

719
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,559
i think that we'll find lots of lots of

720
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,559
convergence points over making these

721
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:05,600
types of rules

722
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,520
and this is actually something that the

723
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,200
european union knows how to do pretty

724
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,480
well if you see

725
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,039
you know what we did in gdpr these these

726
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,400
rules became

727
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,960
um global standards so called the

728
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,480
so-called brussels effect

729
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,400
so uh why not work together

730
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,679
uh with democracy and

731
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,799
protection of civil rights and

732
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,360
the rule of law in a multilateral

733
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,360
context and who is better to

734
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,559
inspire the world than a

735
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,120
a great union of the united states and

736
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:39,600
europe

737
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,000
around these issues which are going to

738
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,279
determine

739
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,640
the future of democracy

740
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,200
anna you know we're starting to see a

741
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,840
change

742
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,679
we're hearing a lot of language on both

743
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:53,120
sides of the atlantic about who's

744
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,240
setting the rules

745
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,919
and a lot of that is geared towards

746
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,640
china that just by virtue of

747
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,880
the export of technologies the export of

748
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960
artificial intelligence software ict

749
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,840
infrastructure

750
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,000
et cetera that there is an implicit

751
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,360
embedded rule setting

752
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,320
capability uh within that within the

753
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,159
those operations and that china is

754
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:14,880
becoming

755
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000
increasingly um revisionist

756
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,240
in the way that it sees global rules on

757
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,200
things like

758
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320
privacy data protection data processing

759
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,240
surveillance et cetera of course we see

760
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,360
that domestically in china

761
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:30,799
how much is this involved in the

762
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,559
discourse around digital rights in

763
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:33,120
europe

764
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,039
looking at china and the kind of

765
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,960
alternative model that it's looking to

766
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,159
set

767
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:39,679
the trade and tech council from what

768
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,600
i've read is going to have a democracy

769
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,399
pillar

770
00:27:42,399 --> 00:27:43,760
what do you think should be in that

771
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,600
democracy pillar and how should it

772
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,559
relate to

773
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,480
authoritarian states like china but also

774
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,799
russia

775
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,720
that's a very good question thank you

776
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,520
the discussion amongst the digital uh

777
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,159
rights community

778
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:03,200
so far has been um and and you know

779
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
front touched a little bit on this

780
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,120
has been based on this issue of

781
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,080
monopolistic control

782
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,279
by a small number of big tech companies

783
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,159
mainly us

784
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:18,240
companies this is increasingly the case

785
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480
with companies in china you know take

786
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,640
tiktok for example so

787
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,799
that's becoming part of the discussion

788
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,480
in terms of the democratic deficit

789
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,840
obviously the practices in china and

790
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,159
what's happening with the sort of

791
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,200
states events there in russia are

792
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,200
very important for the digital rights

793
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,559
community but

794
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,760
is just beginning to focus on these

795
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,960
issues

796
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,559
uh most of the focus at the moment

797
00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,840
uh is about the monopolistic

798
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,440
power of the big platforms um and

799
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,760
actually it's not just the discussion in

800
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,559
the eu

801
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,279
it's in europe it's also the discussion

802
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,120
in the us you've had

803
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,799
um the reports from uh the judiciary

804
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,600
committee david cicilline the

805
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,080
mentioned that this power has to be

806
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,159
controlled

807
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:20,159
you have the dma and the dsa in europe

808
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,679
so i would say the reasons for all this

809
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:25,760
sovereignty discussion

810
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,799
is because you know as also an anna

811
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,640
mitchell also mentioned

812
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,840
there is a need for the partners to be

813
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,559
equal

814
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,039
for the two democracies to be together

815
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,399
and work equal

816
00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:41,679
and this is not going to happen so far

817
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:42,960
as you have

818
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,640
monopolistic platforms that control the

819
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:47,760
content

820
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,799
of what's going on online and therefore

821
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:54,159
enable this data exploitation and big

822
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:55,600
deficits to

823
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,880
democracy which frankly china and

824
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,240
russia can also ex

825
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,679
take advantage of as we've seen in

826
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:08,799
recent elections

827
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,799
marta this is obviously a point that

828
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,880
google is very familiar with uh google

829
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,159
is a the major player in search it is

830
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,159
the major one of the major players in ad

831
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:19,200
tech

832
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,679
has a number of lines of service across

833
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:22,399
which it

834
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:24,880
uses data analytics it's developed a

835
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,120
very successful business model

836
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,399
what is google's position on the frankly

837
00:30:30,399 --> 00:30:32,559
transatlantic discourse around market

838
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,720
power of online platforms

839
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,799
of which i think four or five are really

840
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,918
kind of in the crosshairs

841
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360
i think uh thank you uh tyson and uh

842
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,840
also thank you anna for uh for pointing

843
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,640
out the

844
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,880
the issue so i think we've been very

845
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,960
clear from the very beginning that that

846
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,080
we welcome

847
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,799
everything that uh european commission

848
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,640
uh laid out very early

849
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
uh in the in the term because there is a

850
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,640
third consensus that

851
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,279
those questions need to be resolved and

852
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,200
need to be

853
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,039
looked at from a from a from a close-up

854
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,080
and i think that points um that points

855
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,120
out the difference

856
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840
uh that there is between the u.s tech

857
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,600
ecosystem versus

858
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,799
the one associated with bad actors that

859
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,720
we enter those discussions we we open up

860
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,159
ourselves to compliance and

861
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,240
we contribute and i think we are part of

862
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,480
the of the forums where we

863
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,519
both contribute um and listen uh to the

864
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:36,320
feedback and

865
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,080
this is where um we hope ttc

866
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,279
uh will come in uh to embrace different

867
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,240
perspectives to embrace concerns and

868
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,120
challenges

869
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,240
um that are shared between the u.s

870
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,039
um and europe bearing in mind our third

871
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:53,600
uh

872
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640
values but also uh then the necessities

873
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,679
coming from

874
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,640
what are the global challenges that i

875
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,760
spoke

876
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,960
about in my um previous uh

877
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,320
intervention i think um in the past

878
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,399
uh weeks at various occasions we've

879
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,559
heard for example different ideas about

880
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,080
the scopes

881
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,399
of the of the regulations uh we

882
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:17,519
discussed already

883
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,200
uh in this panel such as dsa uh ndma

884
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,480
so uh moving out um stretching that

885
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,600
discussion over

886
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,159
the atlantic is a guarantee

887
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,960
that a scope would not be describing

888
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,880
discriminatory in nature would not only

889
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:35,760
target

890
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,440
specific companies but we would be

891
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,440
focusing um

892
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,799
on issues that will will not

893
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,840
outlive companies uh like google but

894
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,279
will define

895
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,480
uh rules for the future as well

896
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,919
we're starting to get some good

897
00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:54,080
questions over uh slido and we have one

898
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,600
question on zoom so i'm going to take

899
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,120
one question from slido

900
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,720
and then i'm going to take one question

901
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,559
from zoom from jack

902
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,360
dalrymple from australia so our first

903
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,880
question is from ziga turk

904
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
who asked how can one hope to lead in

905
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,320
standard setting

906
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,640
if if not leading in innovation and i

907
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320
think that is a great question for ana

908
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,639
michel

909
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,519
i agree they're absolutely intertwined

910
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,080
tyson standard setting and innovation

911
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,399
these are these are intertwined um

912
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,880
but i think that you'll find that europe

913
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,880
is ambitious with respect to innovation

914
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,640
i think it's unfair to

915
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
you know to say that europe isn't i mean

916
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,880
europe has really

917
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
uh made major investments i'm not going

918
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,399
to go through all the

919
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,960
the funding that is available but okay

920
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,799
when you compare it maybe to the budget

921
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,279
that for example the united states has

922
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,720
for ai announced uh or if you compare it

923
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,919
even to

924
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,440
a lot of the funding that we've seen i

925
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,919
mean china in six months invested

926
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:55,679
something like half a billion dollars in

927
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:56,320
just eight

928
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,120
ai projects but at the same time you

929
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,320
can't say the eu

930
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,240
hasn't put this as a priority hasn't

931
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,440
focused on this

932
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,080
and hasn't had results so i i don't buy

933
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,600
into the rhetoric that you know we've

934
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,159
lost the ai raise this is all finished i

935
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,520
don't buy into that at all we have

936
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,199
excellent talent in europe

937
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,000
we have a strategy we're investing money

938
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,399
and

939
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:17,918
i'm not saying we don't need to

940
00:34:17,918 --> 00:34:19,599
collaborate and i'm not saying that you

941
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:20,960
know china

942
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,560
isn't isn't uh you know going full speed

943
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,359
and the us

944
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:28,079
as well but europe is certainly a player

945
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:28,480
and

946
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,079
um i think that setting the rules

947
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,280
of the game is a big part of

948
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,719
being able to master the game

949
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,639
if not win the game and i'm not sure

950
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,719
that that's the overall objective anyway

951
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,639
i mean it's not it's not you know it's

952
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,000
not just a race for

953
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,520
power it is but it's not just that it's

954
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,079
also

955
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,560
about uh setting the rules and

956
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560
innovation is also about

957
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,119
people it's also about democracy it's

958
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,079
also about

959
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,280
values and um i think

960
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,880
we need an approach that is

961
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,320
ideological political and also pragmatic

962
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,880
i mean this we are a global community

963
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,400
and we're going to have to be working

964
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,359
together and they're going to be

965
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,200
diverging interests and we need to find

966
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,079
a way to do that

967
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:17,839
and the way to do that is to be sitting

968
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:19,200
down at a table

969
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,400
and agreeing on rules

970
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,359
all right we have a question from zoom

971
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:26,720
uh

972
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,200
let's tee that up right now jack you're

973
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,160
on online

974
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:34,640
perfect um thank you so much for the

975
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,240
discussions had so far and lovely to be

976
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,119
joining you from

977
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,480
melbourne australia on the other side of

978
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,200
the world um so far the discussions had

979
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,440
around eu us practice projections and

980
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,200
data surveillance policies

981
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,359
um have we obviously understand that

982
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,200
those have broad implications on how

983
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,800
other countries and around the world

984
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,560
utilize and share their data

985
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,160
um it's already been discussed to some

986
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,560
extent the kind of strategic competition

987
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
that is occurring between eu and u.s and

988
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,400
china obviously

989
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,320
um i want to understand from the panel

990
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,240
especially anna michelle and fran

991
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:05,440
um what you think would be the

992
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,400
implications of if the us and eu

993
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,160
failed to actually come to an agreement

994
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,640
on standard kind of gold standard

995
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,359
protections for um for individual people

996
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:16,480
and using data

997
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,839
um what does that look like and what

998
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:19,359
implications would that have on the

999
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:21,119
global economy and i suppose it started

1000
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,200
future that would have

1001
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
maybe fran first and then anna michelle

1002
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,040
sure i think that

1003
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920
over say 10 years just to give a time

1004
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,960
frame

1005
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520
if there were not an understanding of

1006
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,160
the

1007
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,720
of how to do data transfers between the

1008
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,119
u.s and the eu

1009
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:40,800
the first thing that would happen i

1010
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,720
think we're already seeing

1011
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:44,800
uh in the wake of the two shrems

1012
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,000
decisions we're seeing more data

1013
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,520
localization here

1014
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,599
by by companies including american

1015
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:51,200
companies uh who

1016
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,280
service data uh here personally

1017
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680
identifiable data

1018
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,240
i think however that even if you don't

1019
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,000
have standards then

1020
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,480
if we fail to come to standard to a

1021
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,680
better understanding of

1022
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,560
standards then even industrial data and

1023
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,320
how you use that i think you'll start to

1024
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,359
see

1025
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,440
kind of a breakdown in the ability to

1026
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,960
transfer that

1027
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920
or you will see in certain areas of the

1028
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,400
world

1029
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,560
because i hope in 10 years the u.s will

1030
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,160
have privacy legislation

1031
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,079
that would prevent some abuses of data

1032
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,560
but in areas that don't have effective

1033
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,480
privacy legislation i think you'll see

1034
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,440
more of a wild west type thing and i

1035
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,560
think that that will go

1036
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,440
also for industrial data there may be

1037
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,160
more

1038
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,599
um stealing of data and things of that

1039
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:40,640
sort

1040
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,079
and so i think that this is something

1041
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,960
that we have to work out the us

1042
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,640
and the eu and other like-minded

1043
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,240
countries

1044
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,160
and it may be that there's a role for

1045
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,839
the g7 in

1046
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,240
starting to do this they have done uh

1047
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,400
digital data flows with trust

1048
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,040
um but i think that it is an important

1049
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,760
thing

1050
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,040
because if there aren't rules we're just

1051
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,720
discovering now the way

1052
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,920
that data can be abused and i think that

1053
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520
there are lots of people with creative

1054
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,119
but not necessarily

1055
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,200
high-minded thoughts about how to use

1056
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,480
data

1057
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,079
and michelle what do you think i mean

1058
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,839
the european parliament has very strong

1059
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:18,720
opinions about

1060
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:21,839
data privacy and gdpr and um but

1061
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:23,520
fran mentions a really good point which

1062
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
is the the scale of

1063
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,400
data processing is just increasing i

1064
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,079
mean we're just seeing more

1065
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:31,440
you know with with artificial

1066
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,880
intelligence with facial voice

1067
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,839
recognition

1068
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:36,720
the ability to reach into our lives and

1069
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,880
anticipate our own behavior and perhaps

1070
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,720
even manipulate our own behavior is just

1071
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:41,440
increasing

1072
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,359
so how can the us and europe really get

1073
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:44,800
this right and what what are the

1074
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,400
framework to what is the framework to do

1075
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
that

1076
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,560
well you know what they say tyson they

1077
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,040
say nature hates a void so it'll it'll

1078
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,240
actually fill it so

1079
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,720
if we don't do it somebody else will and

1080
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,720
uh you know china's a pretty big player

1081
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,280
and

1082
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,960
it has a totally different conception of

1083
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,720
what privacy means there is no

1084
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:04,400
you know you don't have any privacy

1085
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,320
rights as a citizen it's perfectly okay

1086
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,760
to surveil you

1087
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,280
every place so if we want to avoid um

1088
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,880
this model anybody who doesn't sit down

1089
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,640
at the table then other people if you're

1090
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,119
not

1091
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:18,560
if you're not at the table then somebody

1092
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,240
else will sit down at the table and make

1093
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,560
rules and you know actually frankly that

1094
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,960
you know in the eu let's not forget that

1095
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,880
like national security is a national

1096
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,160
competence so

1097
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,079
there are some issues on when we talk

1098
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:31,760
about trends too and we talk about the

1099
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,599
new privacy shield and dealing with this

1100
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,040
matter we don't just have the courts

1101
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,280
the ecj to consider we also have to

1102
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,240
consider

1103
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:42,160
that a solution could be let's say um

1104
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200
sidebarred by national by nation states

1105
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,800
members of the european union and the

1106
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,400
same thing in the united states i mean

1107
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:48,880
you have

1108
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,400
these states popping up with their own

1109
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,000
laws all over the place

1110
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
maybe it's a good idea to have a federal

1111
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,200
framework

1112
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,200
after all so that's something to to

1113
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,560
think about

1114
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,800
but yes uh in the parliament you know

1115
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,320
where we're

1116
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,880
relentless when it comes to safeguarding

1117
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,880
people's privacy rights and again

1118
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,800
i don't wanna you know i don't wanna

1119
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,079
make this i understand

1120
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,560
the need to have a balance between

1121
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,319
strict regulation that protects our

1122
00:40:14,319 --> 00:40:15,760
rights and at the same time

1123
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
leaving enough room in a global context

1124
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,040
where there are

1125
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,640
other players that don't play by the

1126
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,319
same rules that don't have such a high

1127
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:24,160
standard for privacy rights

1128
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,240
in order for our industry to remain

1129
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,839
competitive so you have to have

1130
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:28,720
safeguards

1131
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,880
on the on the side of the industrial

1132
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,480
policy as well

1133
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,000
having said all that again

1134
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,760
if we don't do it somebody else will

1135
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,040
just do it for us

1136
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,240
and that uh that's just not a good idea

1137
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,000
i mean i don't want a wild west but i

1138
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,079
also don't want somebody else's

1139
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,920
autocratic model to be enforced either

1140
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,800
uh through the you know at a table

1141
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,319
somewhere in a multilateral

1142
00:40:54,319 --> 00:40:56,640
context that we're not involved in or

1143
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,160
through the back door

1144
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,720
uh via companies and their technologies

1145
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:01,280
uh

1146
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,079
taking advantage of a legislative void

1147
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,000
have we have got five minutes left we've

1148
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,440
got one question here on

1149
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,160
uh slido which i'm going to direct to

1150
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,160
marta but if you i'm going to broaden it

1151
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,920
a little bit so the question is

1152
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,680
to what extent is digital autonomy

1153
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,960
affected by

1154
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,200
the eu's semiconductor dependence with

1155
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,440
the us being dominant in chip design and

1156
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,520
asia being dominant in high-end chip

1157
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,440
manufacturing

1158
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,440
and i'm just going to expand this to say

1159
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,640
to what extent is

1160
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
uh digital autonomy possible whenever

1161
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,760
the eu is dependent on

1162
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,520
key enabling technologies from outside

1163
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,599
the eu not just

1164
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,280
semiconductors but also for example

1165
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,280
cloud computing

1166
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,599
how can the eu make sure that that is

1167
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,280
not putting it in a position

1168
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,280
of weakness or putting it in a position

1169
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,720
of strength vis-a-vis

1170
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,640
its its partners and competitors

1171
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:58,160
thank you uh tyson and to uh to the

1172
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,760
person that posed this question

1173
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,119
i think that definitely shortage of uh

1174
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:06,160
circuits of specific uh beats

1175
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,319
tools um is one of the many many reasons

1176
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:11,200
why those

1177
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,880
uh concepts of autonomy um and

1178
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,160
uh independence uh or sovereignty

1179
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,200
uh emerge but i think uh it's a it's a

1180
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,160
it's a much

1181
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,000
broader pool um of reasoning

1182
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,720
and uh it would be too simplistic to say

1183
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,280
it's all about uh semiconductors that's

1184
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,960
not something it's a it's of course a

1185
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,880
huge industry problem but not something

1186
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,200
that

1187
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,240
should call for a a strategic um

1188
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:39,920
direction of europe and and i'm sure

1189
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,160
that's not uh the only reason and i

1190
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:42,720
think

1191
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,839
when it comes to uh more

1192
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:48,960
digital less tangible dependencies

1193
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,520
uh that uh you mentioned which i

1194
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,040
wouldn't necessarily call

1195
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,560
uh dependencies i think uh this is much

1196
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,839
uh this is this is this is again much

1197
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,720
much broader and definitely uh more

1198
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,920
flexible than

1199
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,960
shortage um of specific tools

1200
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,760
uh needed to perform uh business or

1201
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,880
production

1202
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,720
and um and and here we are um

1203
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,520
i think what we should be looking into

1204
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,319
is the

1205
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,119
is what is the status quo what are even

1206
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:21,680
if

1207
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,880
europe was to claim uh autonomy or

1208
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,000
sovereignty what are the

1209
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,440
chances then to catch up with the

1210
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,760
rest of the world and maybe looking at

1211
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,599
the reapproachment we are witnessing

1212
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:34,720
today

1213
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,200
and in the past few months maybe i'm

1214
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,480
going to bring in this concept maybe

1215
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,160
strategic interdependence

1216
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,440
is also a mean to help europe get uh

1217
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,599
stronger just like the mep

1218
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,359
uh was uh saying today um

1219
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:51,920
today on the on the panel there is a lot

1220
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,920
to strength and realistically looking

1221
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,880
about

1222
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,960
realistically looking at capabilities

1223
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,000
and resources

1224
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,240
available and figuring out what can

1225
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,119
allies

1226
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,920
provide to each other to catch up

1227
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,640
on the individual technological uh

1228
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,079
strength and this is

1229
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,280
frankly where i also see um the the role

1230
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,839
for the

1231
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,640
industry that i that i represent and i

1232
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,119
think

1233
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:21,280
uh google um has been an important

1234
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,319
uh source uh ford for success

1235
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,079
for many european companies and

1236
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:27,680
especially when we think ahead about

1237
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:28,960
cloud opportunities

1238
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,440
uh this could only uh become more of a

1239
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,160
fact

1240
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,000
um going forward and i just don't i i do

1241
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:36,400
not

1242
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,079
believe that the autonomy discussion is

1243
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,000
happening in isolation

1244
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,560
i don't believe we're all starting uh

1245
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,079
from the same point

1246
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,119
um i think there's certain legacy uh

1247
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,400
in the background and a lot of

1248
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,800
challenges ahead um

1249
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,599
and again i'm very excited that we're

1250
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:55,280
having this conversation on a day where

1251
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,960
hopefully we're gonna talk about the new

1252
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,839
chapter

1253
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:00,400
of the transatlantic tech cooperation

1254
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,640
that that will be of mutual benefit that

1255
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,119
will respect the rights and expectations

1256
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,560
of the both sides of the of the atlantic

1257
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,240
will let the industry grow will

1258
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,880
let this great economic uh relationship

1259
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:13,920
um

1260
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960
flourish uh but in more concrete terms

1261
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,520
would

1262
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,640
also help europe

1263
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,760
grow not not to have a

1264
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,160
reason when we meet same time next year

1265
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,359
to again

1266
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:30,839
touch upon touch upon concepts of

1267
00:45:30,839 --> 00:45:32,560
autonomy

1268
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,319
marta that's an excellent note to end on

1269
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:35,520
and the idea of strategic

1270
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,480
interdependence

1271
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,280
is i think a good uh starting point or a

1272
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,800
good theme for the trade and tech

1273
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,920
council and hopefully we'll be able to

1274
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,200
meet here in a year

1275
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,800
and talk about the agenda items that

1276
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,359
they have uh laid out and maybe even

1277
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:48,960
some objectives that they've actually

1278
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,680
achieved

1279
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,079
uh thank you so much to fran burwell

1280
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,280
anna michelle uh

1281
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,560
asim makopulu uh anna fielder and

1282
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,599
marta poshlad for being in this round

1283
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:00,079
with us

1284
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,880
uh this is this concludes this round uh

1285
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,200
and

1286
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,400
we will be back here we're going to take

1287
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,040
a coffee break uh coming back here in

1288
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,240
maria teresia will be

1289
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,640
global perspectives on fighting covet 19

1290
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,160
with some great guests

1291
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,720
and on the main stage on habsburg at 3

1292
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:15,440
p.m

1293
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,440
there will be precious space a string of

1294
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,200
satellites and the future of

1295
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,720
influence so that will also be

1296
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,160
interesting and take up some of these

1297
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,640
issues

1298
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,079
i want to thank the panelists and thank

1299
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,359
the audience and this was a great

1300
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:26,079
discussion

1301
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,359
uh see you next time

1302
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:37,279
thank you thank you