1 00:00:00,830 --> 00:00:12,570 [Music] 2 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:15,060 [Applause] 3 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,149 [Music] 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,279 ladies and gentlemen 5 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:21,279 please welcome the moderator of the 6 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:30,240 session matricement 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,320 there you go welcome everyone and 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,520 welcome leonid 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,760 uh to this conversation at globe sack 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,920 2021 leonid volkov is of course the 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,399 chief of staff to alexa navalny 12 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:44,079 and currently the face of fbr and 13 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:46,320 in dc at this moment at an opportune 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,840 moment right after 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,039 the uh biden putin summit um leonid 16 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,039 welcome thank you very much for joining 17 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:53,360 us 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,840 um the first question i think we all 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,320 would like to know and understand as 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,800 has anyone considering all the news flow 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:01,760 of this week 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,080 been able to speak to mr navalny since 23 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,600 he returned to camp 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,640 how's he doing um and how do you 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,439 think he feels about mr putin not giving 26 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:15,520 any guarantees on his life going forward 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,920 well uh first of all thank you for the 28 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,960 invitation my 29 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,520 pleasure to be here and to talk at this 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,920 event 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,439 we are still able to be in touch with mr 32 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:28,799 navalny so his 33 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:32,240 lawyers are allowed to visit him uh 34 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,560 monday to friday and that's our 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,600 connection 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,640 uh there are no bad news about his 37 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,600 health condition 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,159 and this is good news given all the 39 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:43,280 circumstances 40 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,000 the fact that he's been transferred back 41 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,399 uh 42 00:01:46,399 --> 00:01:49,439 to the torture colony to to 43 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,280 to a panel colony was a very bad 44 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:52,640 reputation 45 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,000 on his birthday on june 4th 46 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,360 but so far the situation is stable 47 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,799 uh he's not yet aware about the 48 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:05,439 press conference uh that the president's 49 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,680 had after his assignment because 50 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 there is some delay in delivering news 51 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,200 to him but i'm quite sure he will also 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,840 comment on this so we we have a channel 53 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,480 to get 54 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,760 feedback from him so he would dictate 55 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,040 his notes 56 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,720 to his lawyers and they would uh 57 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,720 publish them on his instagram account 58 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:27,840 later so i 59 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,400 i i believe later this week we'll hear 60 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,640 something back from him 61 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,040 lenin uh you are you have been doing the 62 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,480 rounds in dc 63 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 for garnering support um were you at all 64 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,080 surprised by 65 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,640 any of the comments from both presidents 66 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,599 uh yesterday 67 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,879 uh it was not about current support 68 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:51,840 it was about conveying our message so we 69 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,239 have 70 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,480 a message we had a message to deliver 71 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,599 and we have it 72 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,720 and the uh 73 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,120 we also had the feelings that there was 74 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,760 kind of 75 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,800 a lack of policy so there is nothing 76 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,760 like a real 77 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,200 developed policy uh on how to deal with 78 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,560 president putin 79 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,159 uh and like every things was the 80 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,400 new wave of operations against political 81 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,319 oppositions in russian chemical weapons 82 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:19,120 and so on 83 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,239 so we became so i came to washington dc 84 00:03:22,239 --> 00:03:22,959 kind of to 85 00:03:22,959 --> 00:03:25,760 offer our perspective about the policy 86 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,519 and i have a feeling 87 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:31,120 that uh many things 88 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,239 uh of that we were trying to deliver 89 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:37,120 well very short so people were eager to 90 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,840 listen 91 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,480 we had many fruitful conversations here 92 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:41,040 and 93 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,239 i have a feeling just a feeling that 94 00:03:44,239 --> 00:03:46,080 this also somehow reflected 95 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,440 also in in in the remarks after the 96 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,959 summit in geneva and in some things that 97 00:03:52,959 --> 00:03:55,280 uh has been also uh delivered to 98 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,720 president putin 99 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,280 we will know probably better in a few 100 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:00,000 days 101 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,319 so then we'll have actually more 102 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,080 information about like what happens 103 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:04,720 there 104 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,840 uh in the meeting room and what will be 105 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,439 the next steps there is the possible 106 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:10,319 consequences 107 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,280 our advice was always that president 108 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,080 biden 109 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,680 should take strong powerful position 110 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,399 on president putin and that there is one 111 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:22,400 most important 112 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,680 lesson learned from all the past uh 113 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,479 years that there is no such thing as the 114 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:29,280 recent buttons 115 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,840 that unfortunately every time the west 116 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:33,120 is talking about 117 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,840 red lines putin is only reaffirmed as 118 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:37,759 the red lines do not exist 119 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,320 every time the west is trying to find 120 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,479 compromise to build bridges 121 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:45,360 uh putin is only reassured that he could 122 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,800 do whatever he wants 123 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,759 and he only considers it to be 124 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,000 unfortunately a sign of weakness 125 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,600 so and our policy recommendation was 126 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,639 to try something else because like uh 127 00:04:58,639 --> 00:04:59,440 trying to 128 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,440 push a non-existent reset button 129 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,440 has been tried for many years without 130 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,759 any success so it would be wise to try 131 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:08,800 something else 132 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,759 we have a feeling also based on how 133 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:13,360 angry president putin 134 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,039 was after the meeting and how 135 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:20,560 dramatically irraganvir has 136 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,400 remarks on mr navalny how many lies he 137 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,120 produced in a very short period of time 138 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,000 including assuming that alexander only 139 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,039 deliberately 140 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,240 left russia to avoid to violate the 141 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,600 conditions 142 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,960 of his provisional sentence 143 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,800 after being poisoned it i think shows 144 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,240 that well putin was kind of 145 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,199 pushed off balance during his meeting 146 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:50,960 with president biden 147 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,320 that he probably had to confront quite a 148 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,080 strong position in quite a strong 149 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,880 argument 150 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,080 and that's good news um i'm going to 151 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,639 tell the our audience both online 152 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,039 and right here in the room that you can 153 00:06:05,039 --> 00:06:06,000 put your questions 154 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,880 uh to leonard that you have a multi uh 155 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,919 three ways to do this 156 00:06:09,919 --> 00:06:11,759 in the room if you want to ask a 157 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:13,039 question please raise your hand come to 158 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:13,680 the mic 159 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,520 and very quickly answer ask your 160 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,800 question we don't have a lot of time in 161 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,680 this session 162 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,080 um you can also do it online via the 163 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,440 globex app and 164 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:22,800 of course you can do it while i zoom 165 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,720 through the virtual studio so just to 166 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,160 leave that with you 167 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,479 we have a question in from our audience 168 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:30,960 which makes uh my life quite simple 169 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,960 leona because i was going to go there 170 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,759 the parallels with roman petrosevic and 171 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:37,440 his arrest and 172 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,080 the ability of the russians to parade 173 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,520 him in front of the media 174 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,720 um i know mr navalny um dedicated his 175 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,520 recent 176 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,880 award to people in political prisoners 177 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,000 in both belarussia and 178 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,199 in um in russia ilya is asking 179 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,120 what would your advice be to better 180 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,800 russians at this point 181 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,560 um as they take on the question of 182 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,599 what's going on in their country 183 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:06,160 uh sorry no advice the countries are 184 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,000 different political situations are 185 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:08,720 different 186 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,520 and every like historical and political 187 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,639 parallel could be 188 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,199 dangerous i i very much believe that 189 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:16,160 fellow russians 190 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,800 much better know what to do and how to 191 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,319 deal with their situation we 192 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,639 of course follow the situation with a 193 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,120 lot of compassion and respect and 194 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,599 i mean we are both now really like 195 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,199 brother faults like this is this like 196 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:34,080 being 197 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,080 uh endangered by crazy dictators 198 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,520 but still i prefer kind of not to give 199 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:42,960 any advice that could 200 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,039 i mean lead to also negative 201 00:07:45,039 --> 00:07:46,319 consequences because 202 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:49,039 i don't feel the political situation and 203 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:49,919 belarus 204 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:53,520 uh so good as uh leaders of the russian 205 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,080 position uh feel it and it's important 206 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,000 so i've been asked many times like okay 207 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,000 you're based in vilnius now why don't 208 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,160 you like meet and talk with us with 209 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,360 sri lanka and that people and 210 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,479 i very intentionally do not do this 211 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:12,319 uh because well otherwise of course we 212 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,080 could spend many hours 213 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,720 having nice and pleasant conversations 214 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:17,120 but 215 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,520 i believe that those conversations will 216 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,400 not help 217 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,800 uh either people of belarus or people of 218 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:23,680 russia so 219 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,639 let us concentrate on fighting putin let 220 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,199 them concentrate on fighting fighting 221 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,120 and of course we will follow what's 222 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,320 going on and try 223 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,440 well and try to learn from each other 224 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,440 the one common factor with with both 225 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,159 oppositions is that both are young 226 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,039 that's where 227 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,519 uh you you find your support within the 228 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:46,399 youth in 229 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,959 in russia you've had to shut down your 230 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:50,959 officers uh you've said that many of 231 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:52,080 these officers which have been turned 232 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,680 into independent regional political 233 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,760 organizations are not going to survive 234 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,120 you've seen people like miss sobol 235 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,240 having to withdraw from the 236 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,000 parliamentary elections because of being 237 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,839 labeled extremists you've had to move 238 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:05,519 like you said to vilnius 239 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:08,800 as have other people within that space 240 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,480 in the last month and a half how much 241 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,800 of passion is still there within those 242 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,480 young people to keep fighting poop 243 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,200 you know mr putin or keep opposing his 244 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:20,080 policies 245 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,560 have you seen any decrees have is there 246 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,240 nervousness in that or in that entire 247 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:24,560 group 248 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:26,000 that age group because they're on social 249 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,600 media that's one of the common factors 250 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,839 isn't it 251 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:32,959 no i didn't see any decrease 252 00:09:32,959 --> 00:09:36,160 uh contrary to that i mean 253 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,240 uh all the fundamental factors for the 254 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,360 protests in russia 255 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,920 are not gone and will not be gone so 256 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,120 even if mr putin would bulldoze away 257 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,519 all the physical buildings where our 258 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:49,680 regional offices used to be 259 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,880 this will not this wouldn't help him to 260 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,480 do anything with the poverty corruption 261 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,720 or injustice of the political system 262 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,519 so putin is trying to 263 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:08,880 uh kind of to to push uh the protest 264 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,040 like under the carpet so to to 265 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,079 to make it less visible like this 266 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:17,360 um when we now are not any more able to 267 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,000 continue 268 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,079 our offline operations in russia as we 269 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:21,440 used to be as 270 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,519 hundreds thousands of people are being 271 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:25,680 disenfranchised from participation 272 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:27,920 in elections when you are not allowed to 273 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,240 be to appear on the ballot 274 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,959 even running for the village council not 275 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:34,480 only for the state domain 276 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,000 of course this very much affects 277 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,200 well the visible um 278 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,320 uh things with the of the 279 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,160 the visible artifacts for the political 280 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:47,600 life but it 281 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,880 can't change the attitude fundamentally 282 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,959 well this actually only makes people a 283 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:54,640 little bit more angry 284 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,760 that they cannot express their 285 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,279 political views assessments 286 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,560 uh using like legal and public tools 287 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,880 they are not allowed to to campaign for 288 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,079 their candidates 289 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:09,839 since they are not allowed to donate 290 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:12,000 money to the organizations they 291 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,959 support and so on so on so the 292 00:11:14,959 --> 00:11:16,399 fundamental factors 293 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,800 are not gone until not begun there is 294 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,600 nothing 295 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,279 putin could do against injustice 296 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:25,519 corruption or poverty 297 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,399 and people are getting angrier so of 298 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:29,200 course 299 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,200 this doesn't you know to decrease 300 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,640 country uh 301 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 it's actually an increase in 302 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,800 uh descent in our country only that it 303 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:39,920 is becoming less 304 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,640 visible and it is it is of course 305 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,360 creating 306 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,200 a quite dangerous situation so a 307 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,040 situation when 308 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,240 like anything could become a 309 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,440 spark that would kind of ignite the 310 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,200 situation 311 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,079 do you find it worrying that these laws 312 00:11:58,079 --> 00:11:58,399 and 313 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:01,360 all the surveillance um is becoming part 314 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:01,680 of 315 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,720 a arsenal of weapons being used by 316 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,440 um leaders like president putin for 317 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,880 suppressing free expression 318 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,079 independent media how how in your 319 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:13,040 opinion from 320 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,480 your perspective from the russian 321 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,800 perspective do you reverse a trend like 322 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,760 that when 323 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,920 young people are obviously looking to 324 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:21,440 voice themselves 325 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,800 but are skirting very dangerously close 326 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,160 to breaking laws in place 327 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,320 uh well first of all you're right i mean 328 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,360 uh like we are having conferences to 329 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,240 discuss 330 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,200 good practices and you know to to 331 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:39,760 discuss 332 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,959 how how to better reduce this or that 333 00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:46,480 but it looks like putting lukashenka 334 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,120 maduro and and the likes of them are 335 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,959 probably also having their conferences 336 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:52,000 you know like 337 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,800 sharing the best the worst practices 338 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,639 discussing how to 339 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:00,320 uh be a better dictator how to 340 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,279 to close more how to produce more evil 341 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:04,720 things and so on 342 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,600 so they're learning from each other and 343 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,279 very fast 344 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:11,360 actually very many things that happened 345 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,560 in belarus 346 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,959 uh happened in russia and in just half a 347 00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:15,760 year 348 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,160 and the things putting very clearly 349 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,560 learned like inherited from lukashank 350 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,560 and also some things are going in a 351 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,800 backward direction of course 352 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,880 unfortunately 353 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,800 and yes it results in a dramatic 354 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040 deterioration of the political situation 355 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,639 now both countries 356 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:39,279 and what's happening in russia is is of 357 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:39,760 course 358 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,199 terrible when people are being 359 00:13:43,199 --> 00:13:46,240 persecuted for very legal 360 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,240 forms of participation in political 361 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,279 activities 362 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:51,680 for participation and peaceful rallies 363 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,160 for an attempt to register a political 364 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:54,880 party 365 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,199 for an attempt just to be on the ballot 366 00:13:57,199 --> 00:13:59,279 we have filed papers for 367 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:02,000 registration of our political party nine 368 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:02,639 times 369 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:05,040 and we were nine times rejected and now 370 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,320 we are labeled an 371 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,839 extremist organization being not allowed 372 00:14:09,839 --> 00:14:11,279 to exercise any 373 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:14,560 legal form of public political activity 374 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:15,760 in the country 375 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 is it good no of course it's not bad uh 376 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,199 it's of course it's very bad does it 377 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:22,480 anyhow 378 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,800 um string pass of of our optimism about 379 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,839 russian future 380 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:31,519 no not really well the clock 381 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:34,320 is very clearly taken in our favor you 382 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:34,720 were 383 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,720 already talking speaking about like 384 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:37,760 young people 385 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,320 they see that well navalny's support 386 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,120 among 387 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,560 voters under 30 is 388 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,040 larger than putin support so he is doing 389 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,160 just better 390 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,199 in the polls even being in prison 391 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:53,920 not on the ballot not being able to 392 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,040 campaign 393 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,800 this situation is not going to change so 394 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,639 people are very tired of putting his 395 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:02,320 there for like 20 something 396 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,600 years every new re-election even 397 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,440 despite the fact that a position is not 398 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,120 allowed to participate 399 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,360 every new re-election becomes more and 400 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,480 more of stress 401 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,480 for him and also that's that that's 402 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:15,760 something that we've seen 403 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,800 in belarus also that lukashenko 404 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,320 after 25 years in power got into 405 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,600 huge problem trying to get uh 406 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,720 re-elected even with just even with his 407 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,160 like fully cleaned surreal uh political 408 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:32,959 system 409 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:35,680 and uh his system of electoral 410 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,639 commission and so on 411 00:15:36,639 --> 00:15:38,240 this will happen this will happen in 412 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,680 russia also so 413 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,880 this dictatorship is cruel 414 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,759 but if it is not capable to over survive 415 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:47,040 mr putin 416 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,720 and the next generation of 417 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,839 politicians as it will arrive will 418 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,639 will be able to contribute for like 419 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:00,399 democratic and peaceful transition 420 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,720 in the country just because putin's rule 421 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,199 is based on his personal tyson relations 422 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:07,279 and of course on negative selection so 423 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:08,959 he doesn't have anyone 424 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:11,680 uh in in our generation who could be 425 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,759 like competitive 426 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:15,120 we have a question in the room if you 427 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,720 could introduce yourself very quickly 428 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,040 and 429 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,000 a quick question please oh well uh hello 430 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:20,800 everyone um 431 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,480 jake can you take can you take your mask 432 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,920 off so we can hear you i 433 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,959 am jake i'm a short-term intern here at 434 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:28,639 the globsec conference and 435 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:30,800 i would very much like to hear your 436 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,800 opinion on whether the character 437 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,959 of russian politics in the last couple 438 00:16:34,959 --> 00:16:36,560 of decades and well 439 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,839 specifically uh putin's uh authoritative 440 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:41,040 authoritarian 441 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,800 so to say presidential figure could have 442 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,160 influenced the 443 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,720 opinions on democracy in central and 444 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,920 eastern europe 445 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,920 lately the opinion poll we might have 446 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,279 seen on 447 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,360 the previous panel in mary authorisia 448 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,680 for those of you who attended 449 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,079 then it does is that what do you think 450 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:00,240 of that has his politics has the way 451 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,480 he's approached his uh 452 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:08,880 his rule in uh russia influenced the cee 453 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:12,240 well as we see that putin learns a lot 454 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,799 from lukashenko of course many other 455 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,919 dictators or wannabe dictators try to 456 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:18,319 learn 457 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,359 something from putin because many 458 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,240 uh consider has like political model to 459 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,039 be quite 460 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,120 attractive this is 461 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,919 and putin also does a lot for expert of 462 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:32,960 corruption 463 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,520 to europe it's a very natural thing like 464 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,880 russia exports 465 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,960 enormous amounts of money of assets 466 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,360 being stolen from russian taxpayer 467 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,480 taxpayers to european countries and 468 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,240 along with this money a lot of 469 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,679 corruption arrives 470 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:52,960 like when a russian deputy minister 471 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,080 uh would buy themselves a villa 472 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,480 in cote d'azur they would also very much 473 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,160 consider like uh 474 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,720 corrupting local judge local municipal 475 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,840 official 476 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,559 local mayor local police because first 477 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:07,360 of all 478 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:09,760 this is their motorcycle randy they used 479 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,200 to operate this way 480 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,039 back in russia and they of course want 481 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:14,559 to continue this 482 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,520 style of operations also and second 483 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,120 because well they don't want 484 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,200 questions to be asked about source of 485 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,320 their fonts and 486 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,440 and so on so on and putin also 487 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,360 uses expert of corruption as a very 488 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,440 natural tool for him 489 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,840 to to buy influence to rot 490 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,919 the foundations of european political 491 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,200 system to get 492 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,280 like engage these different european 493 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,120 politicians and to see it 494 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:44,480 here and there more and more uh european 495 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,400 politicians specifically far 496 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,679 right and far left putin doesn't care 497 00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:52,000 of their political affiliation it's just 498 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,120 important for him 499 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,960 that they would contribute to the 500 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,200 turbulence in european political systems 501 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:57,600 so 502 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,760 more and more far-right and far-left 503 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:00,640 politicians 504 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,080 are quite openly acting as putin's 505 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,600 agents as his likely really 506 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 like being really really like celebrate 507 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,919 employees of kremlin and and this is 508 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:14,480 becoming 509 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,840 dangerous and of course like many 510 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,440 political leaders in central eastern 511 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:22,240 europe 512 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,600 first of all see putin as a possible 513 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,559 source of funds for their political work 514 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:30,160 and second as a kind of 515 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,480 like inspirational model look like the 516 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,640 guy managed to 517 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,600 stay in power for 20 plus years and 518 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:38,559 squeeze 519 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,559 enormous assets from the economy 520 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,360 uh putin is a better role model and this 521 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,440 is one more reason why he's 522 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,160 dangerous nina that brings up an 523 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,679 interesting point that if it's so 524 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:54,720 ingrained maria asks is it possible then 525 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,760 to see russia 526 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,520 become more democratic and liberal in 527 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,120 the near future 528 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,919 or will this ongoing regime just extend 529 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:02,919 until 530 00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:06,159 2036 i think that's 531 00:20:06,159 --> 00:20:08,080 a question to ask especially considering 532 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,760 the position mr navalny is in 533 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,440 and what you were talking about 534 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,640 uh we didn't know when the transition 535 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,360 will happen 536 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,919 we are sure the putinism will not be 537 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,360 able to 538 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,000 over survive mr putin because it's a 539 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,799 very 540 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,760 personalistic regime everything is very 541 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:28,080 much 542 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,120 built on personal ties that mr putin has 543 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:31,760 with 544 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960 this existence this is that guy but 545 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,480 uh didn't know when the change 546 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,440 will come putin will not be gone because 547 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:41,679 of 548 00:20:41,679 --> 00:20:43,919 an election it could happen for 549 00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:45,280 biological reasons 550 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,000 it can happen because of some black swan 551 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,480 type 552 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,799 event like when something like random 553 00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:51,520 happens 554 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,159 like the arab spring started in march 555 00:20:54,159 --> 00:20:55,600 2011 556 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,559 or it could be like a severe elite split 557 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,960 uh when the political elite will 558 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,360 realize that kind of the 559 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,159 downsides of keeping putin as their 560 00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:09,600 supreme arbiter 561 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,480 uh become to start to become more 562 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,440 important 563 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,840 than the upsides of it each of these 564 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,679 three scenarios is possible 565 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:21,039 but we can't really make a prediction 566 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,200 when this will happen we know what 567 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,320 should we do 568 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,600 when each of these three scenarios 569 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,679 when either of these three scenarios 570 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:31,280 comes true we have to be 571 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,440 the largest and the best organized 572 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,480 political 573 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,440 force in the country that will stand up 574 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:37,840 and 575 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,679 demand for a democratic peaceful 576 00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:41,760 transition and will be perfectly 577 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,679 capable to do so 578 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:48,159 does anyone have a question in the room 579 00:21:48,159 --> 00:21:48,880 because then 580 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,720 i will go to my final question oh yes 581 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,960 please 582 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,640 just a very quick question i see i see 583 00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,840 that you are restricted 584 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,159 and your organization is actually not 585 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:04,400 having the access to the proper media 586 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,039 because it's controversial sorry zoltan 587 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,039 virgo from hungary so we have 588 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:10,559 similar experiences with hungary what 589 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,400 you have actually in russia 590 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,280 so how do you reach out to the normal 591 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,720 people to the waters 592 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,240 so how the messages from your 593 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,320 organization is passed actually to the 594 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,679 waters because 595 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:23,840 otherwise you control or you have the 596 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,360 young generation behind you but the 597 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,520 waters are a little bit older so how you 598 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,360 communicate with the general public 599 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:33,360 thank you uh well first of all we do not 600 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,120 distinguish young people from 601 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,760 general public young people are general 602 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,640 public 603 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,200 uh the internet penetration rate in 604 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:41,840 russia 605 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,120 is well over 70 percent so it's 606 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,159 kind of a stereotype of course that only 607 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:48,960 young people 608 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,679 are there uh the internet penetration 609 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:52,400 rate is 610 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,760 like 100 among young people over 611 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,039 80 percent in people under 55 612 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,080 and over 60 percent and people 613 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,360 aged 55 plus so we are 614 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,480 perfectly able to be in touch with 615 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,039 all generations through social media but 616 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:11,840 of course 617 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,679 we also kind of ask young quarters 618 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:18,880 to be part of our media we very actively 619 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,080 engage them 620 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,919 into bringing our message through 621 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:27,039 to their like parents 622 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,400 owns uh elder relatives and so on 623 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,360 because 624 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,919 not because uh their parents don't have 625 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:35,200 access to the internet 626 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,679 but because we believe that the personal 627 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:38,559 message 628 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,480 uh brought through a devoted supporter 629 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,679 is much stronger than any 630 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:49,200 uh media coverage and any 631 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,440 other way to deliver the message 632 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,600 that would bring me to one of my final 633 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,360 questions or my final question because 634 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:58,799 we are running out of time 635 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,559 how do you make that democratic 636 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:02,880 transition at a point when it is so 637 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,559 difficult for young people 638 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,480 and convince them to stay in the fight 639 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,159 despite the consequences that 640 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:10,320 might be waiting for them whether it's 641 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,159 prison labor camps 642 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:15,279 or any other consequences 643 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,919 so we don't have to ask anyone to stay 644 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:20,480 in the fight 645 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,440 once again i i think it's very important 646 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:23,919 people 647 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,960 within the country have their feeling 648 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,600 their feelings their perception that the 649 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,200 situation is very bad 650 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,360 the situation is very unfair people 651 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,720 perfectly know 652 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,679 that they have been that all their like 653 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:40,080 democratic rights and human rights 654 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,400 have been taken away from that we don't 655 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,640 need to explain it to people people 656 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,720 know that they work perfectly so and 657 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,279 people also are aware of the fact that 658 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:51,919 well 659 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:55,520 many uh tools 660 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,320 of like political engagement that have 661 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:58,640 been 662 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,360 available for them are not available 663 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:02,240 anymore 664 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,440 that they would face severe risk when 665 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,480 uh risks when trying to engage 666 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,960 uh political in the ways they used to be 667 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,640 in the ways it was legal but 668 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,360 is not any more legal but this doesn't 669 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:16,240 ex 670 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,520 affect putin's perception so the fact 671 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,960 that putin like 672 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,919 uh declares us an extremist organization 673 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:24,880 doesn't make him 674 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,600 more popular among people doesn't win 675 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,720 him supporters 676 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,279 doesn't convert our supporters to 677 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:31,760 putting 678 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,240 supporters quite contrary even more 679 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,159 people think that something very 680 00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:39,200 unfair uh is happening 681 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,919 that's it that brings me very nicely to 682 00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:42,640 our poll 683 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,559 leonid and this was a poll that we ran 684 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:45,919 when this conversation 685 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,559 started the question is is vladimir 686 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,799 putin mostly perceived positively or 687 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:54,159 negatively in central and eastern europe 688 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,159 and i think you are absolutely right 689 00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:57,679 with your closing comment 690 00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:01,200 where 83 of those participating and 691 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,720 listening to you at this point 692 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,840 think of him quite negatively so i'm not 693 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,559 sure 694 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,480 that we can be clearer about what the 695 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,720 results of uh the meeting yesterday in 696 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,520 geneva 697 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,360 and the conversations we've been having 698 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,520 here at globe sec can say more clearly 699 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,600 leonid volkov thank you so very much for 700 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,240 your time we wish you luck in your fight 701 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840 uh from all of us here at globesac thank 702 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,880 you 703 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,270 [Applause] 704 00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:36,820 [Music]