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hello i'm terry martin and it is my

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great pleasure to be with you today

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for this session on the future of the eu

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from the perspective of central europe

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we have four foreign ministers with us

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here today and i'm going to introduce

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them very briefly you can read all you

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want about them

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in the program because they do have

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illustrious uh careers

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and very interesting credentials i'll

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start um

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just with what i have here uh well

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actually i'll start right here with

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peter sayarto

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the foreign minister of hungary just

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next to him i'm a face that you've

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already seen here

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at the forum a couple of times ivan

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korchok of the slovak republic

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uh next to him we have uh we have

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jacob i hope i'm getting this

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right of the the czech republic and

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speaking you rao

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at the end from the republic of poland

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so another warm round of applause for

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all four of them

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it's it's great to see all of the the

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four

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foreign ministers of the visigrad group

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gathered here today at the

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globe sack uh 21. what could be better

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uh than that really and congratulations

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by the way on the 30th anniversary

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of the v4 um by the way i know the group

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has had its ups and downs

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uh over the years both before and after

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your eu accession in 2004 but uh today

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we want

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to talk not about too much about the

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past but more about where we are today

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and how you see the future now before we

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get started i just want to remind the

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audience that

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we are very interested in hearing your

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questions to the foreign ministers we're

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going to try to

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integrate them into this discussion

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towards the end

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so you look at your app if you're also

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joining us virtually you can also submit

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questions using your app

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and we'll try to bring those in towards

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the end

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of the discussion so do be thinking

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about that along

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the way now

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to set a baseline for talking about the

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i would first like to quickly ask each

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all each of you

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how you see the eu right now

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is the union that we have here today

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in the european union uh what your

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country imagined

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it would be 17 years ago when you

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uh joined the eu and if it's not

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the way you thought it would be is that

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because the eu

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has changed or is it because you have

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let's start right here with minister

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good afternoon to all of you thank you

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very much for invitation ivan

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thank you for uh giving us the chance

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again for visagrat foreign ministers to

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express our

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views here i think that the whole world

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changed it has changed a lot especially

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and i think it's absolutely not an

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exaggeration to say that

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we are entering a newer new age a new

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and global economy and what we

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new age or this new world order starts

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with a very tough competition

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a tough competition uh regarding uh

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who's gonna be

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strong stronger or the strongest and

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who's going to be the winner of the

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competition for the redistribution of

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the capacities of the global economy in

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unfortunately much less compared to what

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about this we can debate but regarding

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gdp is definitely about

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figures gdp relative to other countries

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too global okay i mean the share of uh

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european union's gdp to the global gdp

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has shrinked a lot unfortunately

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others have grown much

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more quickly but what i think would be

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is to make sure that the european union

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is going to be among the winners

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of this new age both when it comes to

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political strength and when it comes to

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economic power and the way how we can

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strong i would say again is that we make

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the member states

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themselves strong so you you know we

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never believed

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in the concept called united states of

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europe but we always believed in the

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concept of strong eu

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based on strong member states and we

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really still do believe that if the

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member states are themselves strong

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you add them together it will end up in

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a strong european union this is our

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position okay so competitiveness very

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much at the

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at the forefront of your perspective on

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the eu

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uh minister kocha well thank you and

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good afternoon and well welcome to my

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colleagues from

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uh vishgrad first when entering the room

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that that was a very

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exceptional feeling because rarely when

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v4 show wapsweep are clapping and

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i hope people will be clapping also at

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the end of this panel

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but you asked about our view 17 years

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ago when when we joined european union

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in a retrospective and all in all will

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with with all the problems i think it's

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a success story for my country if you

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look around

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how the country looks like certainly

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it's because we've been working hard

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in order to change our country but i

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dare say that without being member of

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european union

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the outcome would not be that positive

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because it opened

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the country it has brought new

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responsibility to us which is changing

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positively

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the country and it has opened uh

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opportunities and economic development

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we joined

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eurozone as the only country of of

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but certainly one has to see in order to

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complete that we have not expected when

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we joined that

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a decade more than a decade of a crisis

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would be ahead of us and that was

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difficult and that's the legacy we have

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to deal with

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also when when talking about the future

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because it's fine to talk about

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uh what we want to achieve in in the

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future but unless we address the issues

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which are on the table and that are the

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outcome of unresolved crisis

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which we have experienced over the last

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10 12 years

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we can barely talk about challenges uh

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in the future but the overall

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overall overall outcome of our

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integration i hope i speak on behalf of

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slovak citizens

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is a is a very positive one mr kalanick

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you of course have watched the eu evolve

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you see me younger man than myself so

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you have a younger man's perspective

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on this what's your feeling about how

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the eu

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has evolved and what the czech

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republic's position is

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in it relative to what you imagined 17

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well first of all thank you for having

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um that's a really um welcome

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uh uh um a change uh to be sitting here

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you know among uh my v4 colleagues but

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the fact this is uh um uh taking place

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and um and the physical form

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uh it's uh quite uh refreshing and

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um that's a that's a joyful feeling uh

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but um you know it's a tricky question

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and um uh you know i always say i mean

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you know obviously the obvious answer

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would be yes i mean the eu has evolved

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for sure uh but uh and so has your

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country yeah well

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true yeah but the most important uh

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thing here is that um you know sometimes

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forget uh maybe uh uh what we were uh

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getting uh ourselves uh uh into

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that is uh uh you know uh a lot of hard

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work and and responsibility

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uh you know just the the fact that now

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we can sit at the table

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in brussels and uh you know this is you

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know i mean

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it we have this this ownership this is

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shared ownership

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and uh uh you know it's it's up to us i

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uh you know sometimes i feel it hasn't

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sinked in yet uh uh fully but uh you

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with time uh you know i'm very hopeful

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but uh the the most important thing here

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is that um uh you know in the years to

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um be able to uh sort of uh uh

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not not think of you know um you know is

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it is it different

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is it the you know different eu than we

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were hoping for

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but rather i mean it's the the you uh

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you know we can

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uh you know it's it the eu will be as we

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we we make make it i mean it's our um uh

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it's it's our doing so so so i think um

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you know this once we can uh we can

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uh uh it will make the whole of uh the

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a much better place mr al you've watched

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the eu evolve as well poland has also

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evolved i was actually there

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um where the borders come together

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uh among some of the visigrad states

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together with germany

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uh in 2004 and and witnessed this the

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succession from that perspective which

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was it was a fascinating and moving

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uh poland being a large neighbor of

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germany where i live uh this was

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a very significant and moving uh

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situation there how

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how have you ex how do you have you seen

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the eu evolve relative to what your

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country's

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aspirations were your expectations there

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because i know it was quite

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controversial in poland the idea of even

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joining the eu

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yes thank you very much let me begin

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in the most traditional way of thinking

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with globsec and

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evan korchok personally for inviting us

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and offering this opportunity to discuss

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this issue well let me say that i'm

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not in a position to agree with you

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because

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the issue of joining the eu was not so

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controversial in poland the overwhelming

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majority

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was for joining and still today the

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overwhelming majority

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uh one of the highest actually in the eu

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is for our for our uh presence

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in in the uu structure so i don't know

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from where you are taking this person

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i'd be happy to provide you with an

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article that i wrote at the time about

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it um where the polling number was okay

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anyway

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i appreciate your your knowledge based

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on the articles but uh it's my country

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and i know of course

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of course uh

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17 years ago there was an overwhelming

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feeling

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in in poland that european union

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united europe integrating europe is the

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most natural place for us

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and this feeling still prevails there is

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no

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there is no uh question about that

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what we expected from the european union

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at that time i would say

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actually two things two things first

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that we are joining a political european

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structure

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with strong european institutions

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which are helping to pursue

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the interest of member states at a

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strong member states so

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it was a community of a cooperation

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of mutual understanding based on the

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principle of

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equality subsidiarity

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and proportionality and i suppose that

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is exactly

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what most of us in poland expect from

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the european union

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in the future in order to be satisfied

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as much as we were 30 17 years ago i

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suppose what is absolutely necessary

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is is a clear cut distinction between

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the competences

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of the european institutions and the

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member states

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if we manage to do that it's the union

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is not going to be

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perfect institutionally but something

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it's going to be very satisfactory for

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every member of state

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this is one thing this is now i have

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briefly if you don't mind because i'd

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like to move on

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i would think that we attach an enormous

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value to a single market a single market

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with

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its four freedoms because it makes

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our economies competitive within the

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european union

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and the european union competitive envy

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in the world which is going to be more

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and more complicated

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also economically now indeed the region

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that you represent here has one of the

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most

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dynamic in the european union it must be

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said

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so that's setting the stage that's kind

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of the baseline

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for where we are now and i want to now

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start looking towards the future

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uh you mentioned minister kochak

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that the that the eu has suffered a

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number of um

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of crises and that you maybe had not

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anticipated these crisis that's the

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nature of crises right that whether it's

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economic or whatever something

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happens and very recently uh or just now

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indeed we are experiencing a crisis

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that is uh shaking the eu to its

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foundations

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uh not just the eu but the entire world

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it must be said

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we're talking of course about the the

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pandemic right the pandemic

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is has hit us in a way that we

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never could have imagined has hit the

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global economy with a lot of talk about

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the economy here

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it's hit the global economy but also our

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entire

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the fabrics of our societies how we live

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together fundamental freedoms that we

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cherish have been compromised and we are

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slowly coming out of this lockdown which

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we can hope will

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continue but talking about the forces uh

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shaping the eu's evolution right now the

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austrian foreign minister this morning

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alexander schultenbach

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he um schallenbach he this morning he

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suggested that the pandemic though

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terrible as terrible as it is it has

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also provided

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a positive impetus for the eu

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that it is bringing the eu together

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perhaps and

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changing it in a way that might be

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positive do you see it that way do you

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see

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this pandemic that we are in right now

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this crisis as it's shaping the eu

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the decisions that have been made at

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european level on how to deal with it do

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you think this is going to make the eu

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stronger

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moving forward or not

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who would like to begin peter

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you guys get together all the time you

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you've done this before i know but

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i need three more minutes okay look we

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always knew that the slovaks were

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fantastic and very polite hosts so

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you don't you don't disappoint us that's

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great

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[Music]

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look i think that the eu made some

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very good decisions and some very bad

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decisions

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when it comes to tackling the crisis

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let's start with the good one okay

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to be equally polite to uh even

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that was europe come on

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it was absolutely a good decision to

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allow the states

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the governments to give financial

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incentive to investments

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of private companies during the crisis

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under much more flexible circumstances

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than during peaceful times

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we have taken the advantage of this

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flexibility put forward by the european

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commission

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and we decided not to distribute money

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on a social basis

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but to give investment incentive to

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companies

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who have agreed to make investments into

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their capacity and or

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technology parallely to making a

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commitment

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not to not to fire anybody and this was

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a good decision by european commission

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to allow this we have broken investment

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record last year in hungary regardless

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of the pandemic because we use that

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scheme

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what was a bad decision was that um

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regarding the procurement of the

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vaccines

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i think eu proved to be very slow

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because um big entities outside of the

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european union including the united

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kingdom the united states israel

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could start the vaccination campaigns of

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them much

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more quickly than the european union

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could and on the other hand what i think

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was

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was really a big mistake that the issue

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of vaccines

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was considered as of ideological

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or geopolitical nature okay i'm sorry

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i'm just going to interrupt you if you

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don't mind

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i'm just going to interrupt you very

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very briefly and put my apologies but um

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what i

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would like is for you to to think not

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just about like what has gone wrong in

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handling the pandemic but rather

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has the pandemic going to lead to any

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changes like okay

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this was slow this you know the way that

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your the eu handled the

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procurement of vaccines it was almost

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universally criticized the point is

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have we will the eu learn from that is

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this going to create an

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opportunity for reform within the eu

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that will shape its future development

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in a way that you find

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encouraging yeah we definitely do have

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to because

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i mean eu does have to change you're

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totally right because i think what

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uh has become very uh clear that

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institutions can lead

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the integration very well under peaceful

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circumstances

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but when it comes to crisis and when

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it's time to act then we need leaders

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and then simply institutions uh cannot

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replace

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leaders and that's why i think that the

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um that the decisions

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made on uh on national basis on member

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states basis

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were extremely important and

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i think under um under uh serious uh

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emergency situations

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uh the room for or the space for

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national decisions uh

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should be kept free and should not be

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let's say taken into consideration as if

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they were

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means to violate the european unity okay

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so i think a healthy

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a healthy balance between um between

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answers

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coordinated by brussels and the answers

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based on national

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level uh must be kept and i think this

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is something that we have to learn from

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this crisis definitely

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okay there's a lot more that we could

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talk about there uh

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vis-a-vis hungary and the eu and uh and

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some of the some of the aspects but uh

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perhaps we'll get in into that a little

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later uh minister

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chuck you've had a little a few moments

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to think about that um

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perhaps you're are you ready i i'm never

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ready to answer

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this question because i'm sick and tired

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of uh

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you know receiving all the time the

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question whether crisis air

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a or b pandemic now will be the the

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point that will change finally

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european union for the better and i

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don't think any people are

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and i don't think it's and i don't think

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it's completely appropriate

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uh to ask whether the eu or what went

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wrong

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what was fine with the european union

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tell me and show me identify

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one state that was prepared for this

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pandemic

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not that the european union was not able

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to deliver masks at the beginning

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uh but the states were not ready and

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in spite in spite of all the

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deficiencies and

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and you know shortages and problems i

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dare say that had we not

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entitled european union to procure and

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acquire the vaccines collectively for us

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individually i don't think slovakia

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would be better prepared to

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acquire registered vaccines because the

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truth is

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that there was access but not to

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registered vaccines

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and hungary has decided we follow then

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to

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go for other vaccines outside of those

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were

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outside of the european market uh if you

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all that but that's reality

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two i don't think it's it's so

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appropriate to say that eu

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was slow because the other day i i in

576
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france i received the question

577
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,720
that european union acted as if it was

578
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,000
a state you know when it comes to

579
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,640
uh procuring uh vaccines but it took us

580
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,799
60 days and that was a big difference

581
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,720
between united states and united kingdom

582
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,240
because there was a state

583
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,279
decision which we have not back then

584
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,159
so those are realities with which we are

585
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:53,120
facing

586
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,440
and the the change that it may uh

587
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,120
trigger for the future

588
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,799
yes maybe there will be acceptance

589
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,320
amongst member states among

590
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,600
our citizens to uh to give more

591
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,440
competence for the european union when

592
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,440
it comes to health but there we do have

593
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,080
to

594
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,559
identify what kind of competence we

595
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:11,120
transfer

596
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,799
on european union when it comes to

597
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,720
health health protection that could be a

598
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,679
lesson but

599
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:18,159
once again i don't think that this

600
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:19,039
pandemic with

601
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,240
will be a major a watershed change

602
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,799
uh for us to resolve the problems we've

603
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:25,760
been facing

604
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,640
over the last 10 or 20 12 years i mean

605
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,360
can we

606
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,440
resolve all obstacles and probably

607
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,120
remove obstacles within

608
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,120
internal market which is not properly

609
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,919
functioning irrespective of pandemia

610
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:40,720
can we complete steal the eurozone which

611
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,640
is a difficult legacy

612
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,279
from from previous uh previous crisis

613
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,039
and you can continue can we improve our

614
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:48,799
foreign policy because of pandemia i

615
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:49,840
don't think so

616
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,480
okay what is needed is a determination

617
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,720
and readiness to act in order to improve

618
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,320
things which do not function

619
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,320
and this is my expectations from the

620
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,360
upcoming debate

621
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,039
uh within the conference on the future

622
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,640
of european union okay

623
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,159
well still i think it might be

624
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,080
appropriate to to ask this question

625
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,840
about whether this crisis has provided

626
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,240
some

627
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,559
impetus for for change uh positive or

628
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:11,919
negative um

629
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:14,559
so i'll i'll continue if uh in unless

630
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:14,960
you're

631
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,279
you know our other guests here have have

632
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:18,640
uh think otherwise uh

633
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,480
uh would you like to scare the comment

634
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,760
um minister

635
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,520
perhaps briefly because i very much

636
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640
subscribe to what's been said before

637
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,120
uh you know look you know when it comes

638
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,720
to the pandemic

639
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,320
you know one has to realize that it was

640
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,400
it was a wake-up call you know i uh

641
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,000
and and here i would slightly disagree

642
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,600
with yvonne uh here

643
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,480
very much like uh uh to see this um as a

644
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,600
watershed moment

645
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,400
it won't be probably but uh uh you know

646
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,200
i think uh

647
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
it was this you know painful realization

648
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,919
that uh the eu um is ill-equipped

649
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:59,120
uh uh to uh um

650
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,000
address the uh health crisis of this

651
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:02,880
magnitude

652
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,159
but look you know we didn't

653
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,320
uh you know nobody planned for that and

654
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,400
i you know here i agree with you

655
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520
the uh the the notion that

656
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000
um you know this was uh you know some

657
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,520
kind of a nation state

658
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480
uh that that failed it is well uh uh you

659
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,200
know um

660
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,360
i mean that's silly uh you know i i

661
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:24,559
think um uh

662
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,480
well i mean what what you know i mean

663
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,720
obviously and mistakes were made

664
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
uh but but also i i think uh there's

665
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,799
been a lot of

666
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,279
uh you know good and a lot lot of

667
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:36,720
positive that that's been

668
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,399
that's been accomplished and you know we

669
00:27:38,399 --> 00:27:40,080
should not lose sight of

670
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,360
of of this and as we as as we move

671
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,240
forward

672
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,640
you know i think you know we should look

673
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,679
at this

674
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:50,480
as you know lessons learned and make

675
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,200
sure

676
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,960
that when the next pandemic hits us

677
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,399
we are prepared but you know as as the

678
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:01,039
as the eu the eu institutions but also

679
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,480
member states so

680
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,760
so i think um as the saying goes um

681
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,000
you know no no no good crisis should go

682
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,760
to waste and we should look at it

683
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,279
that way okay um mr

684
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,440
rao perhaps we want to move on or would

685
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,880
you like to say something about that

686
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,679
because uh

687
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:20,240
again minister schallenberg from austria

688
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,760
was adamant that um there were good

689
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,960
things that were going to come out of

690
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,240
this for the eu

691
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,600
for the future of the eu i'm just

692
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,200
wondering if you if you show that or not

693
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,919
very briefly

694
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,720
kind of a yes or no well i wouldn't like

695
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,120
to

696
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,000
overstate the importance of this

697
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,279
experience it was

698
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,600
it has been a traumatic experience and

699
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,120
from each

700
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,919
such a multi-dimensional experience

701
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:42,880
smart

702
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,600
leaders and concerned citizens in a

703
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,039
democratic system

704
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,440
can draw their own lessons and as far as

705
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,440
the european union is concerned

706
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,799
i suppose that it this

707
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,399
experience indicates some strengths and

708
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:01,279
some weaknesses of the european union

709
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,399
for example i'm i'm i'm a supporter of

710
00:29:04,399 --> 00:29:06,559
the subsidiarity

711
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,039
principle and i suppose that the

712
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,880
validity of this principle has been

713
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:11,679
confirmed

714
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,960
in this in this crisis because if you

715
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,399
if you take for example the

716
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,799
medical infrastructure that had to be

717
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:22,000
had to be created

718
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,880
at this spot in order to accommodate the

719
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,039
coveted 19 patients

720
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,480
nobody can replace the local authorities

721
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,039
and

722
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,320
in in in doing that it's so what is

723
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,039
absolutely necessary is to create a

724
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,720
space for a reasonable

725
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,159
activities so if in in poland we

726
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:47,679
we have a boost now of of uh

727
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:51,200
e e medical in medical system

728
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,960
right uh there is there are so many

729
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,559
digital uh arrangements considering

730
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,640
medical services and so on

731
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,600
so it can be done well at the bottom

732
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,880
certainly okay when you

733
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,600
think about other things like access to

734
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,080
access

735
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880
to drugs very often or access to medical

736
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,679
data

737
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,919
of course of course the european union

738
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:16,080
could be very helpful here okay

739
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,399
it's a matter what i said it's a matter

740
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:20,720
of a division of competences

741
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,679
and also what is extremely important

742
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:27,200
it's a human and political attitude here

743
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,039
do you recall the beginning the

744
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,760
beginning of a pandemic in our part of

745
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,200
of europe borders got close

746
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,919
yes this was very unfortunate and what's

747
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,200
the end of that

748
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,600
i'm very proud that the medical staff

749
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,559
from poland

750
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,000
came over here to slovakia to assist the

751
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080
slovak colleagues in the action of the

752
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,880
vaccinations of many many

753
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,679
many people exactly so this is exactly

754
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,279
the indication that we can

755
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,080
learn in a small way from this kind of

756
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:58,799
experience

757
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,279
like any other experience very good

758
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:02,720
because there is a lot of talk about

759
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,559
the health union now within at the

760
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,240
european union level and whether

761
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,559
if changes can be made that would allow

762
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:09,440
this to really

763
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,440
evolve better because you really insist

764
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,960
on calling this a

765
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,840
health union i mean

766
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:26,159
anyway i do send some skepticism on the

767
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:27,440
panel about the uh

768
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,080
about the impact of of the pandemic in

769
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,360
terms of the eu

770
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,200
evolving i want to get on to some other

771
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,240
questions particularly about the

772
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,760
conference on the future of europe but

773
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,440
uh perhaps minister kulan uh

774
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,200
minister koch and i'll just make a quick

775
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,279
interview what came to my mind when i

776
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,120
was listening to my colleagues who were

777
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,960
right on everything what they said but

778
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720
jakub i wish it was right would you say

779
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,279
that it's a it was a wake-up call

780
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,120
my experience says that with each and

781
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,880
every crisis in the european union the

782
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480
outcome is a wake-up call and then we

783
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
fall asleep

784
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,840
this is the problem because you know

785
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,000
eurozone

786
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,159
what is it migration more or less we're

787
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:03,840
awakened from time to time

788
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,000
and so on and so on so i i wish that

789
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,080
this time it was a wake up call and

790
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,399
second the more provocative question

791
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:13,200
i i entirely understand with my friends

792
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,000
bigness who

793
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,919
says you know subsidiarity and

794
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,760
competence and flexibility but

795
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,480
can we identify as we sit here something

796
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,880
where the eu has prevented us from doing

797
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,919
something

798
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,799
i believe the challenge and the failure

799
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:27,440
i could

800
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,519
yes we were under very heavy attack for

801
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,120
months because of buying vaccines from

802
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,799
the east but that's not the question of

803
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,720
competence that was a question of rules

804
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,840
i mean we agreed

805
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,760
we agreed with the european and i'm not

806
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,960
criticizing you

807
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,559
are you what vaccines from the east as

808
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,399
well sorry you bought vaccines from the

809
00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:43,519
east as well

810
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,159
yes after you after the actually after

811
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,279
you

812
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,799
after after you now we helped and i had

813
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,960
and i personally i did yes i know

814
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,399
something about that yeah i'm proud of

815
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:55,440
that and

816
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,640
so we we bought after you decided to

817
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,480
a good decision but not to follow the

818
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,320
rules that we established within the

819
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,919
european union you opened the door and

820
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,120
this is perfectly

821
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,760
your right yeah gentlemen i'm sorry just

822
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,480
one second

823
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,000
you say that you say that we didn't

824
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,200
follow the rules but you know the

825
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120
european regulation says

826
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,679
that there are two ways a vaccine can be

827
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,600
approved in the european union either by

828
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,559
ema

829
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,679
or under uh emergency circumstances by

830
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:22,880
the national regulators

831
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,039
so what we have done was it has been and

832
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:26,720
is enshrined in the european uh

833
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,600
regulations

834
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,760
and look we were not ready to look at

835
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,880
the vaccines as

836
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,960
ideological or geopolitical nature but

837
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,279
as tools for saving lives of the people

838
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,440
and the fact that we are at 65 percent

839
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,120
of vaccination rate and we

840
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,799
we were the first country in eu to open

841
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,960
up economy was was mostly thanks to our

842
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,760
quick steps

843
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,200
at the beginning and i don't feel that

844
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,799
we would have violated

845
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,360
any common rule or um any common

846
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,559
agreement because

847
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,399
it was not said that you are not allowed

848
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,559
to buy vaccines from anywhere else we

849
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,960
subscribe to the europeans

850
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,000
i'm afraid i'm going to have to

851
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,919
interrupt you thank you thank you both

852
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:00,559
yourself

853
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,440
against the regulations

854
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,039
i sense i sense that there's a need for

855
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,119
further discussion on this topic

856
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,119
between the two countries there and i'm

857
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,560
sure those those discussions will

858
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,918
continue but um

859
00:34:13,918 --> 00:34:15,760
what you know we are talking about the

860
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,280
future of europe here there's been a lot

861
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,399
of discussion of course about the

862
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:20,000
vaccine procurement and you know who's

863
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,199
buying what from whom under what

864
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:22,480
conditions but

865
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,399
moving forward uh there's something that

866
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:26,079
we absolutely have to talk about here

867
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:27,760
today because it involves everyone in

868
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,119
the european union uh

869
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,560
ostensibly and that is the conference

870
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,760
on the future of europe this is um

871
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,520
this has been described as as the one of

872
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,320
the largest

873
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,239
public consultations one of the biggest

874
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,000
exercises in cons

875
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,879
in deliberative democracy uh on the

876
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,480
continent and i wanted to

877
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,719
get your opinions on that the conference

878
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,079
on the future of europe

879
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,639
the if you're everyone in the room is

880
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,000
probably aware of this

881
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160
that there is supposed to be this rather

882
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,079
long detailed process that is going to

883
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,160
gather input from the citizens of the

884
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,280
european union

885
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,400
and these this input is supposed to

886
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,480
turn into the form of recommendations

887
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,680
which

888
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,960
at the end could be perhaps should be

889
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560
written into european law now

890
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,200
the question is what what do the member

891
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,240
states think of this

892
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,160
how how do the states of central europe

893
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,760
how do the visigrad

894
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,839
group countries see that what do you

895
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:27,119
make of this cons

896
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,960
this conference on the future of the

897
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,240
europe is it going to going to be

898
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,960
valuable or not where should we begin i

899
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,160
think i'll start at the other end of the

900
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:34,720
panel

901
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,119
um first since we've uh had a little

902
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,240
finally more conversation here

903
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,800
okay thank you my strong

904
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,520
impression is that thinking about the

905
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,960
future of europe

906
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,400
we should look at the european union

907
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,599
from the perspective of citizens not

908
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,920
from the perspective of politicians

909
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,880
not from the perspective of those who

910
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,160
consider themselves

911
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,920
reformers but from the perspective of a

912
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,200
of the citizens

913
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,960
as it should be in any democratic

914
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,480
entity and that's what this conference

915
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
supposedly is exactly exactly

916
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,079
so i i i dare to believe

917
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,880
that for example the average for the

918
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,480
average

919
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,520
european citizens such issues how to

920
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,240
structure or restructure european

921
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:30,960
parliament

922
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,160
whether to have a head candidate spitzen

923
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,119
candidate

924
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,650
or they have to

925
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:38,839
[Music]

926
00:36:38,839 --> 00:36:41,440
transnational lists it's now

927
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,640
as important as the clear-cut division

928
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,160
of competences

929
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,119
between between the member states and

930
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,320
the

931
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,720
and the european institutions whether

932
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,839
administrative or judicial

933
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,640
institutions this is this is the bottom

934
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,440
line because

935
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,839
we have to talk about things that people

936
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:02,640
understand

937
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,160
the other thing the other thing

938
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,280
is very i suppose what we have to work

939
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,400
upon

940
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,000
in the future is the true is the true

941
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,720
single market that doesn't

942
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,800
discriminate anyone for

943
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,040
in the in the european in the european

944
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,079
union so

945
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,920
everybody is treated is treated

946
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,800
fairly whether it's from a big country

947
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,640
or a small country

948
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,079
and if you launch a company in one

949
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,520
country

950
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,760
and you are from another one so you have

951
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,560
every

952
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,480
right to compete according to the to the

953
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
european rules and the other thing

954
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,839
extremely

955
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,119
important is the issue that has been

956
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,400
brought up by the notion of

957
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,520
so sovereign autonomy

958
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
it's a very questionable issue i

959
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,079
understand that it

960
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,160
has been brought up because people

961
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,680
expect it

962
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,240
because remember states won't want to

963
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,520
discuss it

964
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,560
but we have a to decide what kind of

965
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,920
dimension this

966
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,480
this kind of autonomy is going to be if

967
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,440
it has to

968
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,720
if it's going to be a have a

969
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,160
an economic dimension i welcome it very

970
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,200
very much so because i want europe and

971
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,480
every member state in europe be

972
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,680
competitive

973
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,040
but if it's going to has a military

974
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,800
dimension for example

975
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,000
with an intention to replace for example

976
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,640
some elements of the structure of the

977
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,839
of of nato realistically

978
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:46,640
i'm not in favor of it because our

979
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,839
military resources of the european union

980
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:53,040
this doesn't need much proof are more

981
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,000
than

982
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640
more than limited okay so that's if the

983
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,079
if we do have conclusions coming out of

984
00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,760
the consultation on this conference on

985
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,400
the future

986
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,400
of europe that uh in your opinion

987
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,160
would undermine your country's

988
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
sovereignty with respect to

989
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,520
defense on the one hand uh that would

990
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,200
not be good but if it were purely to

991
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,079
make it more competitive

992
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,400
on the economic side that might be okay

993
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,599
um minister kulanek

994
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,680
we do need to move along i would really

995
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,960
like to get your views on this because i

996
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,240
want to bring in some questions and we

997
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,079
only have about 12 minutes left

998
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,680
okay okay i'll try to be brief

999
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,920
i suppose i i take it uh we give is

1000
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,520
quite eager to participate

1001
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,520
and and the conference on the future of

1002
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,040
europe um

1003
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,320
which is good um but this this might be

1004
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,880
a

1005
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,320
a bit of a silly stunt but uh how

1006
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,720
many of you in this room actually know

1007
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,320
about uh uh

1008
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,359
this uh uh conference this uh uh

1009
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:52,480
uh endeavor by uh uh european

1010
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,440
union and and perhaps more importantly

1011
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,240
how

1012
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,160
many people outside of this room

1013
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,359
actually uh know

1014
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:03,440
um about this um uh

1015
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,720
quite worthwhile undertaking but uh

1016
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,680
you know i i mean i i'd be uh you know

1017
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,800
perhaps a bit

1018
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,839
skeptical uh uh you know um uh

1019
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:17,040
and uh you know hence it uh you know

1020
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,599
my answer i mean i i think this is uh

1021
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,359
this is great um

1022
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:24,079
uh you know we we should have it but uh

1023
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:25,599
you know i wish

1024
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,880
we would try to uh

1025
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,079
bring the eu closer

1026
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,520
to its uh citizens and really i i i

1027
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,240
believe that

1028
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,920
you know putting european citizens at

1029
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,280
the forefront

1030
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,560
uh you know of this uh uh discussion

1031
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,920
uh uh is uh what uh the eu uh

1032
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,040
needs above all and maybe using it uh

1033
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400
to raise awareness about

1034
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,599
what the eu means to

1035
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,960
individual citizens that's that's the

1036
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,760
way

1037
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,119
forward so i you know i think and

1038
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,520
it's you know i guess up on us also uh

1039
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,880
you know to make sure that

1040
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,800
uh um you know more and more people

1041
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,480
actually know about this process

1042
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440
and and so you know encourage people to

1043
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:13,760
to

1044
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,319
uh take power you both see it as as good

1045
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,640
in principle

1046
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,160
as long as it kind of aligns with your

1047
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,920
own country's interests it sounds like

1048
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,960
to a degree although that's

1049
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,560
not what i'm hearing from you is jolly

1050
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,000
good but you know i

1051
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640
i i feel we should encourage people uh

1052
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,000
you know to take people

1053
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,119
to take part in um any any other

1054
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,160
thoughts on this i mean i

1055
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,000
just perhaps perhaps this is not really

1056
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,680
on your radar screen the conference on

1057
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,800
the future of your own

1058
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,160
no of course it is on peter's right

1059
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,319
mostly no no no no yes let's be serious

1060
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:50,000
my sophisticated answer is we'll see

1061
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,240
i don't know because we promised to our

1062
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,920
citizens

1063
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,560
uh right after we stood in a shock after

1064
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,839
british referendum

1065
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,079
uh in june 2016 and later on in

1066
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,240
september 2016 that we would

1067
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,960
come up fairly soon with an answer about

1068
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,720
the future of european union and since

1069
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:07,119
then

1070
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,760
almost six years have elapsed already

1071
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,960
and we're still

1072
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,520
about to launch a conference of which we

1073
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,640
expected people

1074
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,280
in in jumbo in chrome i don't know

1075
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,280
they'll be coming up with bright ideas

1076
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,440
about the future are we not naive

1077
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,240
i don't think it will work that way okay

1078
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:27,119
no no

1079
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,400
we no we will we will be engaged in that

1080
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,480
i my intention is to travel across

1081
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,920
slovakia

1082
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,800
and speak to people but you know it will

1083
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,079
be

1084
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,480
barely possible and realistic to gather

1085
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,760
that many people

1086
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,839
somewhere in the in east of slovakia and

1087
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,200
south of slovakia

1088
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,119
and elsewhere to discuss europe and once

1089
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,079
you gather those people unless you speak

1090
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,560
like we do there is silence okay there

1091
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,599
is silence

1092
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:56,240
so it's a bit you know my expectations

1093
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,240
are very limited for that at the end of

1094
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,040
the day it

1095
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
it is about political responsibility

1096
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,079
what we need more

1097
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,640
than yet another conference is action

1098
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,240
okay within european union

1099
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,720
because what has amassed on our table in

1100
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,359
terms of problems that we are facing

1101
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,040
it's clearly it has been clearly

1102
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,200
identified we've been we

1103
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,800
all the time we've been circumventing

1104
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,480
those problems i'm a bit

1105
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,160
controversial and more provocative but

1106
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,599
where else if not here

1107
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,280
at the at the conference should we speak

1108
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,280
that way so we'll

1109
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,440
we'll try our best but at the end of the

1110
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,240
day it is about political responsibility

1111
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:30,880
to do

1112
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,800
things which for which maybe people will

1113
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
not upload us but if politicians are

1114
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,480
responsible they'll be doing those

1115
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,040
things

1116
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,720
you know i appreciate your candor uh

1117
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:39,920
which is one of the great things about

1118
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,599
this globe sag forum is that we get

1119
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,160
we're hearing people of your stature uh

1120
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,000
speaking your mind about things uh and i

1121
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,280
know that's not always so easy for

1122
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,480
diplomats right

1123
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,839
uh and you are your country's top

1124
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:52,400
diplomats um uh minister senator

1125
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,000
just a few words before i put one

1126
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,440
question from the audience i just have a

1127
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,720
short remark here

1128
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,760
uh the future of europe does not equal

1129
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,119
the future of the european union

1130
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:01,920
definitely so

1131
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,520
if we say future of europe this means

1132
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,280
that we have to include those who are in

1133
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,280
europe but not in the european union

1134
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,760
we i think sharing this stage share an

1135
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,200
opinion about the importance of

1136
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:11,920
enlargement

1137
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,640
uh it would not be an exaggeration

1138
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,640
either to say that now you see the most

1139
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,079
pro-enlargement countries

1140
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,640
of the european union uh on the stage

1141
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,720
and i do believe that uh countries from

1142
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,960
the western balkans who have been uh

1143
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,599
candidates uh for a long time should

1144
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:28,240
also be

1145
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,280
uh included in north macedonia yeah we

1146
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,079
don't think that

1147
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,400
the um that the mission which is called

1148
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,000
creating european union would be

1149
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,079
complete without the western volcanoes

1150
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:39,680
it's very let's say

1151
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,839
unnatural that they are not part of

1152
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,040
european union

1153
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,040
and to be honest we are very very

1154
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
disappointed with the fact that in the

1155
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,240
recent years

1156
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,760
just some very very minimal successes

1157
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,560
were reached

1158
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,359
on the territory of enlargement um you

1159
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:57,040
have to count how many chapters were

1160
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,839
open and close

1161
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:00,480
basically very close to zero to next

1162
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,599
week there's going to be the

1163
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,000
igc's with serbia and montenegro of

1164
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,880
course another

1165
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,200
very limited success unfortunately so

1166
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,640
what we hope for is

1167
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,200
that our decision makers will include

1168
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,720
the countries of the western balkans

1169
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,640
into this series of conferences as well

1170
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,720
okay we've also had a question coming in

1171
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,960
i've just noticed in our app about

1172
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,400
people are very interested in knowing

1173
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,240
what your positions are on

1174
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,800
uh the accession possibilities of

1175
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,520
ukraine

1176
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,400
and belarus um at this point if i mean

1177
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:29,359
if any of you really

1178
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:31,440
have a strong statement on that i would

1179
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,040
welcome that otherwise i'd like to get

1180
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,480
some questions coming

1181
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,280
from the audience here uh do we have any

1182
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,160
questions here

1183
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,160
in in the audience and just before that

1184
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,920
any statements okay

1185
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,040
um we have uh i'd just like to bring in

1186
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,480
let's see if we can oh right right here

1187
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,400
let's let's uh if we could get

1188
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,880
a microphone down here you don't have to

1189
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,240
get up there should be a microphone

1190
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:52,800
coming

1191
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,319
your way is there or or not right so

1192
00:45:56,319 --> 00:45:59,440
sir microphone there we go yeah great

1193
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,240
the mind and if you could just please

1194
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:02,640
say

1195
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,720
state your name your association and uh

1196
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:05,920
where you're from literally

1197
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,400
yes um hello my name is amanda coakley

1198
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880
i'm a melina jacinska fellow at the iwm

1199
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,000
in vienna

1200
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,119
um so this is a question to all four

1201
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:15,920
ministers

1202
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,760
it was said at the beginning of this

1203
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,839
event today that the eu will be one of

1204
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:22,160
the winners of the new age

1205
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,040
do you think the eu can be a winner when

1206
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,800
some member states do things like

1207
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,400
undermine eu law or go against real core

1208
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,240
principles of the european union such as

1209
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,839
press freedom

1210
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:37,359
thank you freedom

1211
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,520
is that directed to anyone in interested

1212
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,000
in the particular

1213
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800
minister of hungary okay i see all of

1214
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,680
them but um okay

1215
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,560
let's start with the um so pauline as

1216
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,839
well

1217
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:52,799
who would like to begin

1218
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:56,640
um look why are you

1219
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,400
why are you not brave enough to say what

1220
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,760
you think

1221
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,280
why don't you pose the question as you

1222
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,520
really mean it do you think that

1223
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,720
uh poland and hungary we do violate the

1224
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,720
freedom of press and on what basis do

1225
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,440
you mean that

1226
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,359
why why you think we are violating

1227
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:16,480
freedom of press what regulations

1228
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,960
with with all due respect um minister

1229
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,160
sierto the

1230
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,319
the i would be grateful if you could

1231
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:23,520
maybe just

1232
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,359
answer the questions but i mean we have

1233
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,040
to okay okay but we have to be brave in

1234
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,880
the audience we have to be uh brave

1235
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,480
enough to name things um

1236
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,720
as they are uh i do believe that

1237
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:33,680
european union

1238
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,880
can be winner of this uh new age

1239
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,040
but but there's one precondition for

1240
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:39,920
that

1241
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,200
many but one for sure that we stop

1242
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,880
judging lecturing each other we stop

1243
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,520
interfering into domestic issues of each

1244
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,319
other

1245
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:53,359
and we bring back the um policies of

1246
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:54,400
european union

1247
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,880
based on mutual respect and we don't

1248
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,599
think

1249
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,079
that we know things better of another

1250
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,040
country

1251
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,720
than the people there themselves respect

1252
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,880
and we do have to respect the decisions

1253
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,880
the democratically made decisions

1254
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,680
of other countries and if we can stop

1255
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:12,720
accusing

1256
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:16,240
each other and we can stop attacking

1257
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,559
each other on a political basis then i

1258
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,319
think european union can be a winner and

1259
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:21,680
i hope it will be a winner

1260
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,040
of the new um uh global age

1261
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,280
and we will we will work for that i

1262
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,160
would just uh

1263
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,079
bring a follow-up to that maybe uh with

1264
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,240
respect with the word respect

1265
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,480
um because there's you can respect a

1266
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,760
country but there are

1267
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,800
also principles that are enshrined in

1268
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,680
in europe uh european principles and i'm

1269
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,400
just wondering

1270
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,520
to what how you balance those out uh

1271
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,440
how you balance respect for countries

1272
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,280
sovereignty with respect for the

1273
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,599
principles that are enshrined in the eu

1274
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,520
charter would anyone like to reflect on

1275
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,720
that

1276
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,920
myself yeah well uh if

1277
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,119
you know that someone else is

1278
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,960
volunteering we who have been part of

1279
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,640
the european union

1280
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,359
we share the same values and we have to

1281
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:06,000
respect

1282
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,200
the same regulations and i think that

1283
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,480
all the countries who have been

1284
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,480
represented on this stage

1285
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,319
are respecting the regulations uh

1286
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:18,400
on which the european union is based

1287
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,440
upon the rule of

1288
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,079
respect and we do respect the uh

1289
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,160
sovereignty of ourselves and others

1290
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,079
uh as well including rule of law

1291
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:27,440
absolutely you know

1292
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,839
we have been under communist occupation

1293
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:35,119
31 years ago we had to fight for our

1294
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:35,920
freedom

1295
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,960
we did fight for our uh freedom we are

1296
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,760
proud

1297
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,079
to be a democratic country and we will

1298
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,000
never accept we will never accept

1299
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,880
anybody to challenge whether we have a

1300
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
proper functioning democracy

1301
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
or not if there are concrete issues if

1302
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,480
there are concrete issues

1303
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,079
which you would like to discuss we are

1304
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,079
always ready always open and always

1305
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,160
ready article 7 procedure has been going

1306
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,599
on for how long has been

1307
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,920
a year more than that you know all the

1308
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,760
questions were raised we answered all of

1309
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:04,400
them

1310
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,160
why the procedure is not being closed

1311
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,319
why regardless of the fact that all

1312
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:09,760
questions were raised and all questions

1313
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,680
were answered because it's political

1314
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,359
and this is an interest of the liberal

1315
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,040
mainstream to have

1316
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,640
the article seven procedure and the

1317
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,160
continuous attacks against two

1318
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,680
conservative patriotic christian

1319
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,880
democratic governments

1320
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,559
to go on okay so there are different

1321
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:27,839
views on this in the european union

1322
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,680
he was just uh showing some interest

1323
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,440
before we move on to you okay and we

1324
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,319
only have a couple of minutes

1325
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:35,599
unfortunately but this is such an

1326
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:36,559
important part

1327
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,400
that we need raising a very important

1328
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,680
question and the

1329
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,800
answer is very simple especially when it

1330
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,760
comes from our part of europe

1331
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,160
as peter has indicated

1332
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,720
given our past we know what it's what it

1333
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:53,359
is the

1334
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,440
freedom of the media the freedom of

1335
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,119
press because i was

1336
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,000
people of my generation were busy

1337
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,319
producing

1338
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,960
newspapers into underground we were

1339
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,240
ready to pay the highest price for vets

1340
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,200
five seven years in jail and so on and

1341
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,920
so on

1342
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,559
and i don't recall that one one

1343
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,359
newspaper

1344
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:18,319
one news underground newspaper was

1345
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,880
denouncing another one that it's not

1346
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,119
free enough and so on and so on so we

1347
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:24,800
only have about we have a value

1348
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,400
sorry we only have about two minutes

1349
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,040
okay we have the value of pluralism

1350
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,160
in our dna and that's we believe

1351
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
that the european union if it's going to

1352
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,839
succeed

1353
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:39,760
it has it has to respect the value of

1354
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,040
pluralism

1355
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,599
i disagree with you because you have

1356
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:44,559
different views

1357
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,760
than i am then i have have so

1358
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,640
i can i can criticize your point of view

1359
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,559
and i'm not going to condemn you

1360
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,040
i'm not going to preach anything to you

1361
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,760
and i'm

1362
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,960
not going to assume that

1363
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,119
your contribution to democracy is

1364
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,400
smaller than mine

1365
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,440
okay because your prime minister

1366
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,079
your prime minister enjoys the same see

1367
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,559
the same political support among his

1368
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:11,280
voters

1369
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,400
as mine in mind so start

1370
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,440
start respecting that okay so respect is

1371
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,800
obviously a very key principle i'm sorry

1372
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,760
to interrupt you here but

1373
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,280
we are absolutely out of time and i just

1374
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,640
want to bring minister korchak in

1375
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,760
because i know that he did

1376
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,079
have a point he wanted to make there um

1377
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:27,839
just once if one sentence if you like to

1378
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:28,319
comment

1379
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,680
i'm fine with press but

1380
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,760
although it's tough in slovakia price is

1381
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,880
very tough

1382
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,720
but two i want to say on the record i

1383
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:38,800
don't think that the eu is depriving us

1384
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,119
of

1385
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,280
our freedom i i think it's on the

1386
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,319
contrary

1387
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,960
sorry who said that the eu is depriving

1388
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,000
world i'm okay

1389
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,359
i can turn here okay it was no no no

1390
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:52,640
wait it's big no no

1391
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,559
it's a neutral statement because from

1392
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,400
time to time

1393
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,119
we hear voices from central europe as if

1394
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,480
european union

1395
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,400
would be a source of problem and i don't

1396
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,240
think that's the case european union by

1397
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,240
far is not a perfect project but

1398
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,599
over the last years uh the the

1399
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:12,319
once again the voices are loud and i

1400
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,000
i've been confronted and i don't

1401
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,839
like it with kind of you bashing

1402
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:20,000
okay but that is going to be the final

1403
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,440
point

1404
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,559
and i'm sorry we're gonna have to leave

1405
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,000
it there i'm hearing in my ear that we

1406
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,760
absolutely have to get out of the room

1407
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,040
it has started now and

1408
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,240
and we we we pluralism and respect a

1409
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,920
warm round of applause for both of those

1410
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,640
principles

1411
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,240
and all four of our foreign ministers

1412
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:50,879
with us today

1413
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,319
i really want to thank you for for

1414
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,079
engaging with the topics we

1415
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:57,599
really got going there towards the end

1416
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,040
and i have a feeling we could have gone

1417
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,920
on for at least

1418
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,520
another hour or so and i hope to have

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the opportunity to speak with each of

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you individually um

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as in the future but uh right now i do

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need to introduce the the next