1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,240 [Applause] 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:13,490 [Music] 3 00:00:13,490 --> 00:00:15,490 [Applause] 4 00:00:15,490 --> 00:00:21,239 [Music] 5 00:00:23,610 --> 00:00:26,980 [Music] 6 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:30,880 so 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,800 so good morning and welcome everyone 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,559 here in a room and thank you for 9 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:36,719 everyone also who are joining us to the 10 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:38,079 online channels 11 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:40,160 i'm extremely delighted to be able to 12 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:42,000 moderate a panel on 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,360 a 5g future not just smoke and mirrors 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,200 my name is anet numa and i'm a digital 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,280 transformation advisor from the estonia 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,160 briefing center 17 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,239 and also in the next 45 minutes i will 18 00:00:52,239 --> 00:00:54,160 be moderating this panel so i will be 19 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,920 your moderator here 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,680 so making sure that all the eu 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,520 businesses and citizens have timely 22 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,680 access to 5g governance is very 23 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:02,399 essential 24 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:04,720 uh to make ensure that our market is 25 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,159 very well functioning 26 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,040 and also competitive uh the coveted 19 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,119 pandemic hash showed us the importance 28 00:01:11,119 --> 00:01:12,640 of her silence and high-speed 29 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,920 communication 30 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,400 for remote working in our daily lives 31 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,159 and to maintain businesses 32 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:20,240 operations and of course also different 33 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,280 processes 34 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,920 5g is also one of the one of the seven 35 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,560 flagships areas of recovery funds 36 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,240 a significant share of its target 150 37 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,840 billion euros 38 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,400 on digital budget should finance you 39 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:34,880 network 40 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,040 infrastructures as well in the future a 41 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,880 fast connectivity has a large 42 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,799 impact on economic and innovation and 43 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:42,079 social well-being 44 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:45,040 but is a proper 5g network connection 45 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:45,920 and coverage 46 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,119 only enough for the eu to be competitive 47 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:50,000 in a region 48 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,240 in the world so this is exactly what we 49 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,000 are going to discuss today here 50 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,200 with our wonderful experts were sadly 51 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,360 joining me virtually and not here on a 52 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:00,479 stage 53 00:02:00,479 --> 00:02:02,799 first i'm very happy to introduce our 54 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:04,719 first panelist who is michelle von 55 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:05,680 belinkin 56 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,399 who works as a chairman in berkeley and 57 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:09,119 mr 58 00:02:09,119 --> 00:02:12,000 juan bellingham has a master of law he 59 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,599 has been elected to serve 60 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,800 as a chair of peric since 2021. so 61 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,920 welcome 62 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:20,800 secondly we have piers aldon who who 63 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,000 works as a director 64 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,680 in future networks in the european 65 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,080 commission digiconnect and he is dealing 66 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,520 with the policy developments 67 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,360 research as regard 5g networks iot 68 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,840 cloud and data flows service platforms 69 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:34,800 next generation 70 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,360 internet as well here and as a third 71 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,360 person last cherry on a cake here 72 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,840 we have ulf person who is the head of 73 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,560 the government 74 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,599 and industry relations in ericsson and 75 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:47,440 if i'm correct he is joining us all the 76 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,879 way from sweden 77 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:52,239 so hello to us vote um so uh mr 78 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,319 person is responsible for the telecom 79 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:56,160 and regulatory trade policy 80 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,760 at ericsson and leveraging over 30 years 81 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,519 of experience in government 82 00:03:01,519 --> 00:03:04,080 and telecommunications he is also the 83 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,000 architect of the company's strategy 84 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,519 focus and developing 85 00:03:07,519 --> 00:03:09,840 strong ties between the government and 86 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,480 regulations around all the world 87 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,159 but before i'm going to kick up with my 88 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:15,680 first question here there is also a 89 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,440 couple of housekeeping rules as well 90 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,840 here so if our audience wants to engage 91 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,680 with this panel here i would kindly 92 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:22,400 suggest you 93 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,159 also to ask questions there is three 94 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:26,400 options for that first of all all these 95 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,239 people that i have together here in a 96 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:29,120 room 97 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,879 you can just raise your hand and then we 98 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,400 can give you the microphone so please 99 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,360 just let us know 100 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,920 if you do have any questions and the 101 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:36,799 second option 102 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:39,440 uh to people that are joining us also 103 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,159 virtually 104 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:41,840 you can also ask questions over the 105 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,159 klopsec app which is working 106 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:47,440 over the and and then the last option of 107 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,959 course is to connect over 108 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,120 zoom uh to the virtual studio as well so 109 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,000 you can also 110 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,760 ask your questions there and please do 111 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,400 use this chance um because not every day 112 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,640 uh you get to ask about file to your 113 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,640 future from such experts that we have 114 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,480 together with me here today 115 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,720 okay um so starting with the very first 116 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,519 question the gig 117 00:04:05,519 --> 00:04:08,159 of our panel discussion here so i do 118 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:09,599 have a question that is 119 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:13,200 mostly addressed now uh to olive firstly 120 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,799 so what are the necessary and urgent 121 00:04:14,799 --> 00:04:16,238 next steps to build 122 00:04:16,238 --> 00:04:19,199 out nationwide full of iot network in 123 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:21,519 europe 124 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,120 thank you annette and i'm sorry not to 125 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,040 be able to join you in in 126 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,080 beautiful bratislava so i mean first let 127 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,560 me just 128 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,639 emphasize that europe really needs high 129 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:31,919 performing full 130 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:34,560 g full 5g networks now to stay 131 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,240 competitive because as we see 132 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,199 leading regions in asia and north 133 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:40,080 america or 134 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,280 as we speak uh deploying nationwide 135 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:47,360 uh 5g use using mid band spectrum 136 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,560 providing gigabit speeds to users 137 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,840 and and creating a very high performance 138 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:54,160 of 139 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,199 the network everywhere across country 140 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:59,360 and we saw that also in the the latest 141 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:00,960 ericsson mobility report that we 142 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,280 published earlier this week that 143 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,440 europe is falling behind i mean 144 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,440 northeast asia is leading 145 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,720 ahead of north america and also the gcc 146 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,160 countries in the middle east 147 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,000 ahead of europe when it comes to 5g 148 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,360 rollout 149 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,360 and high performing 5g full 5g networks 150 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,479 i should say 151 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:22,880 they must be seen as a critical digital 152 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,320 infrastructure 153 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,560 they are a cornerstone of our society 154 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,160 and and our economy and they will 155 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,960 support the economic and social recovery 156 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,000 also from from kovit and high 157 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,800 performance 158 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,280 full 5g uh coverage is enabled of a 159 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:39,120 mid-band spectrum and is required to 160 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:39,919 enable 161 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:42,320 new advanced use cases because we also 162 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,600 have to recognize that 163 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,240 the so the first phase of 5g will mean 164 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,199 enhanced 165 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:49,520 mobile broadband is sort of a 4g on 166 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,880 steroids if you like 167 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,560 but when we move to full 5g uh based on 168 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,039 what we call standalone 5g architecture 169 00:05:57,039 --> 00:05:58,319 that will really 170 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:01,360 uh make a revolutionary change 171 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,080 uh since it will offer low latency fast 172 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,000 response times 173 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,720 and enabling automation and 174 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,000 virtualization and network slicing 175 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,039 capabilities 176 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:13,120 so so we really need to move to that 177 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,160 stage uh 178 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,280 soon in europe as well thank you 179 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,280 and i would also address this question 180 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,120 to beers you are telling us 181 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,919 impossibles am i correct you have any 182 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:25,039 comments on what 183 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:28,080 uh ulf was saying 184 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,479 well good morning annette uh good 185 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,000 morning to all i am very sorry that i'm 186 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,800 not with you 187 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,880 uh in bratislava but thank you for the 188 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,440 invitation 189 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:40,880 it is the case that we see 190 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,720 global competitors in other regions of 191 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,400 the world 192 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,919 making great advances we do have some 193 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:48,880 good cases 194 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,840 in the european union with countries 195 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:52,479 that are 196 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:54,880 reaching even 80 percent coverage even 197 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,639 before we come to what will refer to as 198 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:56,880 the 199 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,240 the standalone 5g so 200 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,240 5g role has been progressing very well 201 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,400 in some areas 202 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,319 but of course not still providing the 203 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,560 true dynamic 204 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,400 ultra high speed low latency networks 205 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,919 that we need 206 00:07:11,919 --> 00:07:14,720 we do have you know a target a set of 207 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,479 targets in europe 208 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:19,360 and they have for the rollout of 5g 209 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,199 depended to a large extent on 210 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:24,560 spectrum deployment the licensing of 211 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,599 spectrum 212 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,440 and while we did have success in 213 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,880 identifying 214 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,360 the three pioneer bands for radio 215 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,319 spectrum 216 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,560 that gave us also a sense of purpose and 217 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,120 it allowed for some coordination 218 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,680 it's not just enough with the first wave 219 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,919 of licensing to have coverage what we 220 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:42,720 need is 221 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,680 the mid-band spectrum to be available 222 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,039 and operational 223 00:07:47,039 --> 00:07:48,960 for those applications which i've just 224 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,280 mentioned but which are very critical 225 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,000 because they will create the demand for 226 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:54,479 5g 227 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:56,960 services particularly from business 228 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,680 users 229 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,599 from the vertical sectors who will use 230 00:07:59,599 --> 00:08:00,800 this high speed 231 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,879 reliable ultra secure network capacity 232 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,360 for all of their operations and services 233 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,440 so for business to business services 234 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,000 but also for internal organization and 235 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,520 for the digitalization 236 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,080 of all aspects of the value chain and 237 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,240 that is really what 5g is about it is 238 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,599 that shift 239 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:22,800 which we still have to 240 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,280 mainstream in europe in order for people 241 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,240 to understand 242 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,400 that this is critical for our 243 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,599 competitiveness 244 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,240 it's critical actually for our economic 245 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,440 recovery 246 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 from the covet crisis and it will 247 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:36,799 provide 248 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:40,240 a basis for innovation for productivity 249 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,200 and of course uh for competitiveness as 250 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,560 i've said for all sectors 251 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,760 of of the industry now uh we can come 252 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,040 back to the questions 253 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,440 of comparing ourselves to other regions 254 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,880 but the fact is that 255 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,600 europe's future is in its hands and we 256 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,600 now need to seize the opportunity 257 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,600 of 5g which is ready to be deployed 258 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,279 thank you for your opening remarks as 259 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,120 well here for the first question i would 260 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,600 now turn all the way to mihil 261 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,519 i do not know which city you're joining 262 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:10,880 us at the moment 263 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,680 but i also have a question for you we 264 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:14,240 know that 265 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,800 the european uh commission has deployed 266 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,560 a fight action plan 267 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,360 can we say that the implementation of 268 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,399 five teach strategy 269 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,040 has been successful so far and what has 270 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,800 been the biggest challenges in the 271 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,279 process 272 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,320 so thank you very much annette and uh 273 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:32,880 hello 274 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,920 everybody and and again sorry not to be 275 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:36,720 here uh 276 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,760 with you in in bratislava so um 277 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,160 and thank you also for giving me the the 278 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,440 opportunity 279 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,480 to explain the role of barrick as 280 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,600 a facilitator in the in the process i 281 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,320 i i think that uh it's it's totally 282 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,120 clear for us 283 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,519 that we have made promoting the full 284 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:57,440 connectivity as one of our 285 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,240 key priorities for the five uh coming 286 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,040 years and 287 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,480 this means that we prioritize the work 288 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,839 that improves general 289 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:09,120 conditions for the the expansion and 290 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,600 the take-up of secure reliable and 291 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,959 competitive 292 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:16,079 networks in the 293 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:19,120 very high capacity networks both fixed 294 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,760 and mobile while entering the transition 295 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:22,160 from 296 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,440 a legacy infrastructure so we just 297 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,959 don't only focus on the 5g coverage 298 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:32,079 emf issues but also less visible 299 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:35,040 aspects such as uh backhoe and and the 300 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,880 copper uh switch off 301 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,040 and of course um when you look at the 302 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,560 digital agenda there is 303 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,240 a lot of european instruments 304 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,519 need to need to be implemented and yes 305 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,920 so far it's not totally the case the 306 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:50,880 first one is 307 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,200 is of course the the timely 308 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,560 implementation of the 309 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,279 european electronic communications codes 310 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:59,120 you you know that 311 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,560 24 countries i received an ins 312 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,240 friesement letter from from the 313 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,000 commission a few a few 314 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,640 weeks ago in addition to that you need 315 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,760 to to implement 316 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,040 the barrack guidelines in helping 317 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,839 a a consistent and harmonized 318 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:17,680 implementation of the cause 319 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,120 beric has adopted a dozen of um 320 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,440 guidelines uh so far there is a 321 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,279 connectivity toolbox 322 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,240 to ensure a timely in investment 323 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:29,839 friendly access to 5g 324 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:33,120 uh spectrum please just refer to to the 325 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,880 need to get access to 326 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,160 a 5g spectrum as soon as possible 327 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,600 there is also an instrument to um 328 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,839 reduce the costs the administrative 329 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:46,240 costs and civil engineering costs 330 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,880 um so the the review of the broadened 331 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,600 cost 332 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,360 reduction is still underway and it will 333 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,399 really help the implementation of this 334 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:57,200 agenda 335 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,399 more specifically on 5g there is a 336 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:03,440 roadmap and when we look at this roadmap 337 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,920 we come to the conclusion there are many 338 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,200 aspects to be 339 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,160 taken into consideration some of them 340 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,920 i've just mentioned but also 341 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,240 coverage indicates uh international 342 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,040 plumbing 343 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,680 and that's what we are working on within 344 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:18,079 uh 345 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:21,440 barrack we have a dedicated workflow on 346 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,399 5g 347 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,639 cyber security for the the 348 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:25,680 implementation of 349 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,040 5g toolbox there will be a report on on 350 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,240 backhaul which is 351 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,480 important as well we just had two weeks 352 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,600 ago a 353 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 workshop on the impact of 5g on 354 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,120 regulations 355 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,440 with stakeholders like uh 356 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,600 representatives of verticals 357 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,800 we will have other workshops on coverage 358 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,399 and and and indicators 359 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,360 and also you i i have just finally to 360 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,279 mention that we developed last year 361 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:56,399 a raider 5g right there which describes 362 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,000 in details the next steps 363 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,200 we need to uh undertake to 364 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,320 for for the coming years so yes 365 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,360 the digital agenda is is not 366 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,560 totally uh a reality and we still need 367 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,440 to push her at 368 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,720 uh for for 5g over to you and it 369 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,720 yeah thank you uh when we when we talk 370 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,480 about like different countries how far 371 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,440 they are currently with the 372 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,079 implementation 373 00:13:20,079 --> 00:13:22,000 process inside of the european union i 374 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,079 would say we see drastic changes 375 00:13:24,079 --> 00:13:26,639 drastical like differences as well and 376 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,639 and in time it has changed a lot 377 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,120 uh how could the european union and push 378 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,040 and help the member states with this 379 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,000 development process 380 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,200 and past possible ways and you to speed 381 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,959 up the process of development in 382 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:40,880 different countries so i would turn this 383 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,240 question uh first to 384 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,120 peers and and then maybe you can also 385 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,519 add something from your site 386 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,120 certainly yes thank you because that is 387 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,279 very important we're not just taking a 388 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:55,120 punitive view to whether or not member 389 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,959 states have implemented regulation 390 00:13:56,959 --> 00:13:58,240 it's actually the work that we've been 391 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,920 doing for over five years with the 392 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,800 industry 393 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,320 including with the 5g industry 394 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,160 association which has been the focus of 395 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,160 our research and innovation work 396 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,360 and that is really helping for their the 397 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,079 the development of the 5g technologies 398 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:13,040 but now 399 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,360 helping with the deployment to overcome 400 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,399 bottlenecks 401 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:19,360 but also simply to provide some of the 402 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,279 uh the funding that might be required to 403 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,519 ensure that it is rolled out across 404 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:26,399 uh the european union more importantly 405 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:27,760 and this goes back to what i was saying 406 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,680 earlier but we do believe that the real 407 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,800 driver 408 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,800 for 5g uptake the full 5g will be the 409 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,920 business use cases the verticals who 410 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,680 will be able to apply 411 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,880 5g technologies to improving all aspects 412 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,320 of their operations 413 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,399 uh become more innovative and also to 414 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:47,760 drive down cost 415 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,920 so those new business ecosystems are 416 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,959 essential we have 417 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:54,079 several major uh pilots across several 418 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:55,120 countries 419 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,079 uh funded already in order to show the 420 00:14:58,079 --> 00:15:00,320 user groups in key sectors 421 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,199 like transport and mobility like health 422 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:06,160 even in agri-food for example 423 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,800 as to the full scope of applications of 424 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,839 5g 425 00:15:09,839 --> 00:15:12,079 and now to answer your question it is of 426 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:13,680 course the next step how do we 427 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,199 globalize this how do we make sure that 428 00:15:15,199 --> 00:15:17,360 it happens everywhere we are working 429 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:17,760 with 430 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,120 an alliance of operators in the alliance 431 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,399 on cloud and edge 432 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,399 to ensure that the next generation of 433 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:25,600 technologies is 434 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,959 fully incorporated into 5g because 435 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:31,120 we will increasingly be seeing cloud 436 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,079 computing 437 00:15:32,079 --> 00:15:34,399 as something that is sitting beside the 438 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,560 5g networks out at the edge of those 439 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,320 networks and that's essential 440 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,600 for europe we're also looking simply at 441 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,720 funding in the recovery and resilience 442 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:45,279 funds 443 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,440 that the european council agreed and 444 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,199 which is now in place 445 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:50,720 the member states in a number of 446 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,560 countries have included 447 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,759 5g elements deployment elements in their 448 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:58,800 national recovery plans that will go 449 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 work together with investment funding 450 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,680 from eu invest that is available for 451 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,759 large-scale infrastructure projects 452 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:07,759 and we're also of course thinking of the 453 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:09,519 cross-border elements and we have the 454 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:11,199 connected european facility 455 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:12,959 in which we will ensure that major 456 00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:15,040 transport paths that cross 457 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,759 european borders are actually fully 458 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:18,399 equipped 459 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:21,600 with 5g standalone 5g in order to 460 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,639 support 461 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:25,680 all of the logistics and transport 462 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,720 necessary for the smooth running of the 463 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,480 european internal market 464 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,800 so that's a lot of different activities 465 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:33,759 where 466 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:35,680 you you asked michelle about the 5g 467 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,800 action plan 468 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,800 we will together be able to meet our 469 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,560 objectives we have the commercial 470 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,519 rollout 471 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:44,720 of 5g in 472 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,040 in all countries but now we must ensure 473 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,880 that we meet our next targets 474 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,279 which is to ensure coverage of all of 475 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:52,720 the population 476 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 as well as developing these business 477 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,399 cases so i won't go into any more detail 478 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,079 but we already have more than 479 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:00,639 30 private 5g networks established in 480 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:02,480 around 10 member states 481 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,640 with eu funding which are serving the 482 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,799 purpose of piloting 5g services 483 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,599 in different sectors and business 484 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:10,400 sectors 485 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,400 and it shows that there's a pent-up 486 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,679 demand there 487 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:15,599 businesses eager to start testing and 488 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,199 using 5g services 489 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:19,280 so the member states have to get that 490 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,319 spectrum 491 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,359 available and licensed to operators 492 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,439 so that we can actually benefit from 5g 493 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,120 thank you for the overview and and now i 494 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,799 would turn to you well if 495 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:32,880 but but also i would add a question here 496 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,400 um you've been working together with 497 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,240 many different member states and and how 498 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,280 do you see 499 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,760 why is the attitude towards 5g 500 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 implementation so different in member 501 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,320 states 502 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,280 how has your experience been with that 503 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,080 yeah 504 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,919 thanks for that annette and first let me 505 00:17:47,919 --> 00:17:49,679 just uh echo what 506 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:52,320 what what peers said here that that uh 507 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,000 there are significant 508 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,039 values and benefits attached to to 509 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:00,640 to uh connecting industries and 510 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,520 agriculture 511 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,799 uh uh we we worked with analysis mason 512 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:05,520 to make uh 513 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,960 uh uh sort of an economic review of the 514 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:09,840 benefits 515 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,320 of uh 5g for for for businesses 516 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,240 and we saw that the benefits uh were uh 517 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,559 the highest benefits were when it comes 518 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:22,400 to smart manufacturing and actually 519 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,039 smart 520 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:27,840 agriculture uh we saw that the the 521 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,799 sort of uh cost-benefit ratio of 522 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:32,400 investments were six times 523 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,360 uh with with the 40 plus billion of 524 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,400 investments you can 525 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,520 you can see a potential of more than 250 526 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,840 billion 527 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,919 euros so so i think uh there are some 528 00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:45,360 really good examples here 529 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,039 uh but at the definitely smart factories 530 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:51,679 smart agriculture uh including fixed 531 00:18:51,679 --> 00:18:54,720 wireless access based on 5g 532 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,640 will be the main beneficiaries when it 533 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,080 comes to to uh 534 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,919 to uh to to 5g in the business sector 535 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:03,919 but we should also remember that there 536 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:05,360 will be environmental 537 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:09,600 uh benefits because 5g is also green and 538 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,000 it very 539 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,760 much supports not only 540 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,679 the digital transformation of europe but 541 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:16,799 also 542 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:20,240 the green transformation and we see that 543 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,480 the benefits flowing there are will be 544 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,000 definitely when it comes to smart 545 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,919 factories but also in agriculture in 546 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:26,880 construction 547 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,480 and of course uh smart automotive 548 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,679 and if you see which which uh 549 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:35,919 countries are setting good examples uh 550 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,679 and yes coming back to the issue of 551 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:39,520 coverage and and 552 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,400 as as pierce mentioned earlier there are 553 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,160 some countries that have reached a very 554 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,200 high 5g uh broad coverage 555 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,679 geographical coverage and that means 556 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:51,440 that you offer this innovation this 557 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,080 fantastic 558 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,080 innovation platform for all of your 559 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,000 certified all of your businesses is not 560 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,280 selected just in 561 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,640 the main cities or in in some areas 562 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,520 and that i think is the most most 563 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,960 important and that is also 564 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,200 coming back to the spectrum issue making 565 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,000 mid band 566 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,360 spectrum available but also uh in 567 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,400 investment friendly conditions 568 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,640 and i'm sure also the pilots that pierce 569 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,960 mentioned can can play a vital role here 570 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,280 and once again coming back to the rrf i 571 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:22,559 mean recovery 572 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,080 resilience funds i think the the 573 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,720 all the 27 uh governments of the eu 574 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,760 should should 575 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,600 really ensure to make the best possible 576 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,919 use of these and also to speeding up 577 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,919 uh 5g all right thanks for the year with 578 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:41,280 you as well from your side 579 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,600 um our audience is actually pretty 580 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,840 active today so we have received already 581 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,320 a couple of questions sam so i will also 582 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,600 address them as well here 583 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,400 tyson parker has asked here how can 584 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,360 europe ensure 585 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,799 that age of computing and open air a n 586 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:58,480 infrastructure are not eventually 587 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,720 dominated by us-based hipper scalers 588 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,840 maybe miho you would like to answer that 589 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,080 one here 590 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,360 yes thank you very much and it's 591 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,960 so i think that europe is 592 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,480 already investigating this type of model 593 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,039 but as 594 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:21,919 as you can probably see also in the 5g 595 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:23,200 observatory it's 596 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,320 to be considered as not a major yet so 597 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:26,960 some 598 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,400 different companies have also invested 599 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,360 to see to which extent open rent could 600 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:33,679 uh 601 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:36,960 offer a solution and i think that um 602 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,240 ulf is very well placed to to to tell 603 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,200 some more about that and this is 604 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,400 definitely something 605 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,880 we will go through with the national 606 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720 regulators in the coming 607 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,320 years but uh for for the time uh 608 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,400 being it is not uh or our priority will 609 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,159 we will i would say stick to 610 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:03,600 a more classical approach of uh 611 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,720 vendors and build out of 612 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,320 those 5g networks as they were 613 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,679 announced but uh still it is it is a a 614 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:14,640 valid point 615 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,360 and we we know we we have to make the 616 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:18,320 assessments 617 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,200 of the pros and the cons of such 618 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,960 technologies but this is definitely 619 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,760 something 620 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,600 we will go through in the in the coming 621 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,679 years over to you and it 622 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:29,919 thank you um we're coming to the 623 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:31,760 questions also from the audience here so 624 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,520 kindly do you repair your questions 625 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,919 uh i would just ask my question now and 626 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:37,520 and then you have also time to just 627 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,000 stand up 628 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,159 and ask your question here so so my 629 00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:42,000 question first before we go here um to 630 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,200 the audience is 631 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,280 what needs to happen so that 5g becomes 632 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,200 a driving platform for innovation and 633 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,400 competitiveness 634 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,880 across europe i would turn this question 635 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,200 now all the way to pierce 636 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,720 uh thank you well first of all i'm going 637 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,240 to sound very boring but 638 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 i have to say the first thing is that we 639 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,760 have the spectrum 640 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,600 uh pioneer bands made available and 641 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,280 particularly the mid bands as we already 642 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,799 moved towards the high bands 643 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,120 why it's because a lot of the low 644 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,679 latency but also you know high 645 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:14,559 data bearing capacity will be on that 646 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,600 mid band 647 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240 that that's that's a message i just have 648 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,360 to hammer home 649 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,880 but then of course there's a lot more to 650 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,400 do we have to facilitate 5g deployments 651 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,000 everywhere so as well as the finance 652 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,559 models which we don't uh kid ourselves 653 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,320 that the the european union financial 654 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,280 contribution 655 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,039 is still a very small amount of the 656 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,960 overall investment required 657 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,520 so what we have to do is that we have to 658 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,080 not just 659 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,200 push and support mnos but help them to 660 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,960 convince the investment community about 661 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,120 the solidity of the investment case 662 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,919 for a rapid rollout and that comes as 663 00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:50,320 i've said 664 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,240 partly from the demand for the new 665 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,600 business models 666 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,120 where very important european 667 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,880 industries such as the automotive 668 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,799 industry are already 669 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,760 pushing to move to to what i would say a 670 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,720 fully 5g 671 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,760 world fully 5g enabled world for every 672 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,240 element 673 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,919 of their production line every element 674 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:11,760 of the ecosystem and value chain 675 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,200 and that will be reproduced across 676 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,039 different business sectors 677 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,240 that will give us not just the um 678 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,159 the innovation it will also give us 679 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,919 greater security 680 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,080 as industry as all aspects of the 681 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,799 economy and society become more relevant 682 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,600 and more dependent on communications 683 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,039 technologies 684 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,080 and in doing all of that we do actually 685 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,919 have to look and this is a challenge for 686 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,039 the regulators that 687 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,240 michel needs we also have to look at 688 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,799 using our regulatory tools to allow more 689 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,240 shared infrastructure 690 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,720 particularly in remote locations 691 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,320 particularly in terms of the deployment 692 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,520 of base stations 693 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,320 we also have to increase capacity in 694 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,080 areas where it wouldn't be 695 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,120 profitable for one operator to invest on 696 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,000 their own 697 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,320 in the networks and we think that that 698 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,679 will pay back 699 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:03,840 to the economy and to the society as a 700 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,120 whole 701 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,679 we do also have to see some imagination 702 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:09,520 and enterprise in europe 703 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,880 5g provides a great opportunity 704 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000 for new business cases for new 705 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,679 innovations so that is not just meeting 706 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:20,880 the needs 707 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,480 of businesses at the moment but actually 708 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,880 developing new business cases 709 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,000 and the last aspect but it's a very 710 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,679 important one is actually with regard to 711 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:31,679 public administrations 712 00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:35,679 and public organizations and authorities 713 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:39,520 who can avail of 5g to modernize 714 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,240 their service provision to drive down 715 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,120 cost 716 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,919 and make their services more attractive 717 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,000 not just to the public but also again 718 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000 to the business communities so that they 719 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,440 can encourage 720 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,120 for example the development of smes 721 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,000 in clusters not necessarily near to main 722 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,799 cities 723 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:00,559 which will have a great beneficial 724 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,080 effect but which will be 725 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,799 empowered and enabled by the compute 726 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:05,679 power of 727 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:08,480 5g and edge computing working together i 728 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,679 could go on 729 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:12,320 but the the fact is that the technology 730 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,080 has all the promise and we now must 731 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,679 avail of that thank you i would actually 732 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,120 ask you to send me a question also from 733 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:19,760 willif 734 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,760 do you have anything to add regarding 735 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,200 how to 736 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,159 make 5g become becoming also a driving 737 00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:27,600 platform for innovation 738 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,400 across europe yeah yeah thank you for 739 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:30,799 that 740 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,080 and and uh i think it's really important 741 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,960 to stress that 742 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640 this is not a technology issue 743 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,240 technology is here it's be 744 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,120 being rolled out it's it's uh high 745 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,039 capacity networks 746 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,000 and it's uh sort of only about creating 747 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,559 the right 748 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:50,720 enabling conditions for for rollout also 749 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,159 in europe and coming 750 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,880 catching up i would say with uh with 751 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:55,360 other 752 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,720 uh regions uh of the world and it's uh 753 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,400 uh it's i mean we are coming back to the 754 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:02,880 same 755 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,039 key messages here it's it's about 756 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,400 mid-band spectrum 757 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,919 it's about also stimulating uh uh 758 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,279 uh use cases for for for businesses uh 759 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,039 in particular who will be the main 760 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,880 beneficiaries of of 761 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,320 full 5g and it's also uh 762 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,880 about uh public funding it will play an 763 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,679 important role 764 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:27,039 i'm sure and and will the rrf uh uh 765 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,919 uh becoming operational in in many 766 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:30,799 member states 767 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,679 uh uh more and more uh that will play 768 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:34,080 play 769 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,360 a a vital role here uh and 770 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,320 uh as also pierce was was uh referring 771 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:40,720 to 772 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,240 uh uh to to uh create the right 773 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,120 incentives 774 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,080 uh uh when it comes to investments and 775 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240 that's it's about predictability of the 776 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,279 regulatory environment 777 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:56,640 and also ensure that the operators 778 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,279 have visibility and predictability when 779 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,080 it comes to 780 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640 the license conditions etc so there is a 781 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,760 setup and we 782 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520 there's no rocket science here we we 783 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,600 know what what what is being required 784 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,919 and just to to apply that now and then 785 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,480 i think europe has a bright future for 786 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,480 5g 787 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,200 great um then i also i would like both 788 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,240 of you appears and 789 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,919 i know to talk about a little bit more 790 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,679 defiantly corridors 791 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,159 um there is a vision pen new 5g creators 792 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,720 for connected and automated mobility 793 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,159 can you maybe elaborate this a little 794 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,240 bit more in details 795 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,360 maybe pierce you go ahead first sure i'm 796 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,240 very happy to 797 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,520 um it has always been our wish 798 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,399 that we have first of all large-scale 799 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:41,440 pilots sort of 800 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,559 the deployment at scale of 5g 801 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,399 to show business industry and 802 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:47,840 governments just 803 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,679 what it can provide and the the idea of 804 00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:52,399 the theme 805 00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:56,480 of 5g corridors on major transport paths 806 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,480 crisscrossing european countries 807 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,120 will also bring another key issue that 808 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,279 we want to develop which is that this is 809 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:08,240 for the digital single market 810 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,919 there will be regulatory challenges 811 00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:12,320 there again but if we think of one of 812 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080 the key use cases we've been looking at 813 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,880 which is 814 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,279 an extension of manufacturing is 815 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:18,960 actually the logistics and transport 816 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,919 business 817 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:23,039 where as we saw during covid if we 818 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,600 have blockages at borders then the 819 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,120 single market stops working 820 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,960 and very quickly business runs into 821 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120 trouble we run into supply chains to the 822 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,240 extent that people 823 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,320 are worried about food not appearing on 824 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480 the shelves of their supermarkets 825 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,559 now 5g offers a lot more than that but 826 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,559 this is a great example where 827 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,679 by ensuring continuous 5g coverage 828 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,240 of these transport paths as they cross 829 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,120 from one country 830 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,279 into another you will have the full 831 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,279 benefits of internet of things 832 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,840 of edge computing and simply of logistic 833 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,039 manager in control 834 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,120 it means greater efficiency including 835 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840 the environmental benefits and transport 836 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,039 but also if we are supporting the 837 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:05,840 rollout 838 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,880 the development of the 5g radia access 839 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,919 network 840 00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,240 which would in itself draw down more of 841 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,399 the backhoe the fiber rollout 842 00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:17,919 that then brings fiber and 5g into rural 843 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,279 areas in many cases 844 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,679 mountainous regions etc which otherwise 845 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,640 would not get 5g for some time 846 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,559 so this has been the subject already of 847 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:27,840 several 848 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,240 programs pilots funded under our 5g 849 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,559 public private partnership our research 850 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,399 program under the previous 851 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,559 european union research that is now 852 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:39,520 being mirrored 853 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,919 in our new horizon europe planning under 854 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:43,679 the new joint undertaking but more 855 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:44,640 importantly 856 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,480 we now have this fund called the 857 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,159 connecting europe facility 858 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,480 which will be devoted once one part of 859 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,360 it of course 860 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,080 uh under under uh seth broadband will be 861 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,080 devoted to the corridors 862 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,880 where groups of member states come 863 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,519 together 864 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,240 and better from the pilots we've already 865 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:02,960 run 866 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240 these cross-border corridor systems 867 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,080 so you will have end-to-end real 5g 868 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,279 standalone 5g 869 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,760 operating on these routes and then the 870 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,480 ability 871 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,919 at a lower cost to take spur lines if 872 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:18,799 you like off 873 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,760 into the regions that are passed through 874 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,679 in order to ensure the acceleration of 875 00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:25,519 the rollout so it has a multiplier 876 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:26,480 effect 877 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,320 with a relatively small amount of 878 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,159 european taxpayers money 879 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:31,600 associated with what businesses are 880 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,679 prepared to put in and of course local 881 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:34,480 government 882 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480 we then have a significant investment 883 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,679 that accelerates 5g 884 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:42,480 great um also well if um do you have 885 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,080 anything to add from the ericsson 886 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480 point of view yeah yeah very very 887 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880 briefly i concur with with pierce here 888 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:49,679 and erickson 889 00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:52,799 is very much involved in in one of these 890 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,000 corridors 891 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480 in in between the baltic nations uh 892 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,960 estonia latvia and lithuania 893 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,600 and we also identify and of course as 894 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,279 does the transport and logistics 895 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:04,000 companies 896 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200 the the potential of 5g and and when we 897 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760 talk to companies like like uh 898 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080 volvo group for example i mean they they 899 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,080 are they they are also 900 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,559 sharing our frustration that that 5g is 901 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:17,600 not happening 902 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,640 uh fast enough in europe and and 903 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,039 also emphasizing what peers said here 904 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:24,720 that this takes for 905 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640 for for a harmonized approach 906 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,159 cooperative approach 907 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,080 between the member states of the 908 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320 european union that is fundamental to 909 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,440 this i mean we 910 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,240 we can't have initiatives that that's 911 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,799 that's 912 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,120 stop at the national borders here we 913 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,519 need to have the european perspective 914 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,960 in everything we do in this space 915 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480 um again can i go ahead 916 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880 no no no go ahead there's one other very 917 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,840 important issue 918 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,039 which i really should have mentioned 919 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,880 which of course another of the 920 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,799 technology policies that we're pursuing 921 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,480 where we feel that europe will be 922 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440 in the lead is in relation to connected 923 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,279 and autonomous mobility 924 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,880 where uh with the use of 5g and other 925 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,080 technologies 926 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,919 we will be able to accelerate the 927 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,000 development of 928 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,360 driver support autonomous mobility 929 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,480 and much more intelligent and safe and 930 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720 also environmentally friendly transport 931 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,000 particularly in the 932 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,159 goods transport industry where the 933 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:25,360 lorries will be able to 934 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360 work operate much more efficiently and 935 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360 safely so that is actually 936 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,120 very good for the environment very good 937 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,440 for business and also very good for 938 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,080 safety 939 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,760 and that will also be the use case to 940 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,159 allow europe to develop 941 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:41,440 these cam technologies as we call them 942 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,200 uh in competition with other regions of 943 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,120 the world so sorry for breaking in again 944 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,919 but that's very important 945 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:47,519 absolutely no worries that's what panel 946 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,039 discussions are for 947 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,279 i would now turn to you michelle and and 948 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,960 ask a question we brought it out here a 949 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,159 couple of sectors what 950 00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,880 5g is successful for um and like 951 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,799 mobility but there is plenty of other 952 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,320 sectors as well that we can use this 953 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,440 vast connection 954 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,120 um what do you think what are the 955 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,200 sectors that eu would take a leader 956 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,760 position of using a 5g connection 957 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:13,760 thank you very much annette uh well 958 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,960 um from a regulator perspective it's 959 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,359 it's 960 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,159 it's not a real easy question to to to 961 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,119 answer 962 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,239 it is more economical 963 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,280 related than related to the regulation 964 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480 of the regulatory uh coming from 965 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,320 stemming from the regulatory framework 966 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,679 so 967 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,800 what we try to do is providing 968 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,440 a framework that based on a 969 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,879 non-discriminatory approach for all 970 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:43,440 types 971 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,480 of of users including an industry 972 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,440 of course which is is the main focus of 973 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,839 uh 974 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,960 of 5g and so without real 975 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,000 uh differentiating between sectors 976 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,119 of types of uh of industries 977 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,000 and so it's it's not really up to to us 978 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,560 to 979 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,920 to try to to help more one type of uh 980 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,560 sector than than another and to to pick 981 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,280 and choose 982 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880 uh winners in in this in this area 983 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000 let's uh we'll see and um please 984 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,920 also mentioned is that there is a lot of 985 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,520 trials across 986 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,880 europe and we also uh held a 987 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000 stakeholder workshop 988 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520 a few mo a few weeks ago and it was 989 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,160 really 990 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,720 interesting to hear from our vertical 991 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:33,520 actors 992 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000 what they are going to do and what they 993 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,680 are still implementing 994 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,839 from different sectors in the industry 995 00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:41,359 like shipyards of 996 00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,560 automotive um refers to 997 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680 but not really easy for for us 998 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,760 as uh regulators to to see which type of 999 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,640 sector will be the leading one in europe 1000 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,400 anyone else want to want to add like 1001 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,920 which sectors uh 1002 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,200 you should take the leading welder 1003 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,240 here's well i can just uh uh jump in and 1004 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:06,640 as 1005 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,000 as we saw in our study we think that 1006 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,320 that smart manufacturing i mean europe 1007 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,440 is uh 1008 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,160 one of the world leading regions when it 1009 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,599 comes to manufacturing 1010 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,720 and and uh we have then a great 1011 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,520 potential 1012 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,240 uh to digitize manufacturing uh to have 1013 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,760 smart manufacturing 1014 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,000 i think that there's a huge potential 1015 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,320 but also as we saw in our studies 1016 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,000 in agriculture i mean smart agriculture 1017 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,920 is also an area where i think 1018 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,119 we can increase european competitiveness 1019 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,320 with the application of 5g 1020 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400 great uh moving on to the next question 1021 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,800 here both private and public financing 1022 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,320 can be sometimes very difficult to 1023 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,240 access for the smes which have brought 1024 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:52,880 it up here 1025 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,920 a couple of times for them to develop 5g 1026 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,240 applications and business models as well 1027 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,160 the eu and member states funding remains 1028 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,440 clearly crucial 1029 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,599 when it comes to usmes from very early 1030 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:04,960 stages 1031 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,680 already however there is no dedicated 1032 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,599 society focused programs available 1033 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,720 at the eu level as smes uh are 1034 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,200 starting to play more essential role in 1035 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,560 a global ecosystem 1036 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,160 do you think it should be vital for the 1037 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,160 european uh union to take further 1038 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,240 actions to try fire to innovation 1039 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,040 and how could europe support 5g related 1040 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,280 smes i would turn this question to 1041 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,599 pierce 1042 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,480 well thank you yes the the role but also 1043 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,760 the potential 1044 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,040 of european smes is very significant 1045 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,160 so um we have had and do still and will 1046 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,079 continue to fund 1047 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:44,480 innovation in general for for smes and 1048 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,359 startups 1049 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:47,359 but specifically on 5g which is your 1050 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:48,560 question which i which 1051 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,960 i think is totally justified the first 1052 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,240 thing is to say that 1053 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,359 we are changing our research model we've 1054 00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:57,040 had a very successful public private 1055 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,720 partnership focusing on research 1056 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,280 and innovation we're now moving to a 1057 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,720 model which is called a joint 1058 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,839 undertaking 1059 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:07,680 it will do research in 5g beyond 5g and 1060 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,520 maybe even start some work on what will 1061 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,720 be 6g 1062 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,520 but it is also an instrument to work on 1063 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,040 deployment 1064 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,359 on innovation on the development of 1065 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:18,880 these use cases 1066 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,880 and on developing ecosystems 1067 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,640 specifically to allow 1068 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,160 smes uh to to to participate and to 1069 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,440 benefit 1070 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,320 so that's that's one key area uh where 1071 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,880 in 1072 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,520 looking at in providing financing for 1073 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,800 the testing 1074 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,440 of of ideas from smes we actually give 1075 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,200 them the opportunity to receive 1076 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,560 support of course the main 1077 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,240 investment funds of the european union 1078 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,599 not just the rrf 1079 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,680 which is very big but it wants off but 1080 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,640 also eu 1081 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,079 invest and some of the other funds will 1082 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,560 increasingly be looking at digital as 1083 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,359 you know for example the rrf funds 20 1084 00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,280 of those funds must go on digital 1085 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,560 projects 1086 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,280 and we expect even more in relation to 1087 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,040 eu invest etc 1088 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,640 and that will focus on what is europe's 1089 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,680 natural powerhouse and 1090 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,760 ulf will have no problem i know in 1091 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,280 recognizing this we have some 1092 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,560 major global leaders here in europe 1093 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,480 who are at the forefront of our drive 1094 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,160 with regard to 5g and other 1095 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640 communications technologies and networks 1096 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,800 and in their slipstream but also now 1097 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,880 maybe even cutting across 1098 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,560 them are startups disruptive smes 1099 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,240 whom we need for the business ecosystem 1100 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,720 if europe is to thrive so that is a real 1101 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,720 focus of the joint undertaking 1102 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,920 and it will also be a focus of our 1103 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,480 digital europe program where we are 1104 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,240 seeking to roll out 1105 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,800 a number of digital technologies uh 1106 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,400 talking about artificial intelligence 1107 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,640 hpc but now specifically 1108 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,680 in cloud and in 5g we will see 1109 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,079 smaller companies for example working on 1110 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:00,880 on telco 1111 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,119 edge provision and in providing 1112 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,280 innovative technologies and services 1113 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,760 with european funding we hope and expect 1114 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,280 that the member states will match that 1115 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,079 funding 1116 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:13,040 so that we do now create a real 1117 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,920 innovative 1118 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,920 entrepreneurial environment for smes to 1119 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,760 grow 1120 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,359 um there is also the question that i 1121 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:22,000 would last actually like to ask from 1122 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,200 all of our panelists here so we we also 1123 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,319 talk about very often 1124 00:40:26,319 --> 00:40:29,359 um the awareness of iot and channel like 1125 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:30,319 in public 1126 00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:32,400 do you think that um should the european 1127 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,079 union focus more on improving the 1128 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,040 understanding 1129 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,240 and awareness of 5g of investors too and 1130 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,200 how has these 1131 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,240 been addressed uh these days uh maybe 1132 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,119 mikhail over to you um do you think that 1133 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,720 we should be focusing more on raising 1134 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,400 the awareness and especially 1135 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,000 also the investors but of course also 1136 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,200 the public awareness of 5t connection 1137 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,440 thank you very much and this is a very 1138 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520 interesting question of course 1139 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,800 and as you probably know for years 1140 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,319 um we have here that um 1141 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:07,839 this sector is over regulated 1142 00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,079 and uh the good news it's not the case 1143 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:11,520 anymore and this is the background of 1144 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,280 the european electronic communications 1145 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,000 code 1146 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,280 with an overarching um objective 1147 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,560 towards um efficient uh investment so 1148 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,599 this is a 1149 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,040 a very um investment friendly 1150 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,640 environment complemented by um the beric 1151 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,200 guidelines to ensure the consistent and 1152 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,200 harmonized implementation 1153 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,480 over uh europe second element um 1154 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,880 if you compare the situation with the 1155 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,640 situation many years ago 1156 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,000 there's less less markets it needs to be 1157 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,200 regulated so we are going a little by 1158 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,760 little 1159 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,040 towards the uh application of general uh 1160 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,920 competition 1161 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,720 low in the in this in this sector uh as 1162 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:55,520 well 1163 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560 moreover um in in this framework 1164 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,760 you have also uh some very important 1165 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,560 tools 1166 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,839 to uh incentivize investments such as 1167 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:09,839 uh co-investment schemes on this 1168 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:13,119 there is a lot of work to to to do 1169 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,240 and but there are already some 1170 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,560 co-investments agreements with different 1171 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,839 forms just to 1172 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:23,599 lower the costs um peers referred 1173 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,520 also more specifically regarding 5g 1174 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,680 the possibility to uh share 1175 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,800 infrastructure and 1176 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,440 infrastructure sharing is something we 1177 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:33,920 really 1178 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,400 support with uh barrack we adopted two 1179 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,440 years ago 1180 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,839 a common position on that where we 1181 00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:41,920 described different parameters 1182 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960 and and so this is uh an important tool 1183 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,280 as well to lower the cost and and 1184 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,400 improve the 1185 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440 the coverage and as i have already 1186 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,000 mentioned 1187 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000 the the brilliant cost reduction 1188 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,760 directive we also 1189 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,400 once reviewed played a role to 1190 00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,599 facilitate 1191 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,640 the rollout and the deployment of 5g 1192 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,280 and so to lower the cost which is also 1193 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,560 good news for 1194 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200 the the investor to be my my answer so 1195 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,319 far 1196 00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,960 thank you um now also um very short 1197 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,640 answers from uh from both piers and an 1198 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,440 old festival 1199 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,079 um how how does erickson and how does 1200 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:19,760 the european commission address these uh 1201 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,040 raising awareness of 1202 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,200 fighting here so i think uh 1203 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,599 yeah i think globesick is doing a 1204 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:28,800 fantastic job by just 1205 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,319 organizing this event so i think 1206 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:35,839 uh awareness is is there but but i think 1207 00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:38,400 we just need to continue to to stress 1208 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,720 how important 5g is for for for 1209 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:41,839 competitiveness 1210 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,880 and and and of europe 1211 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440 uh it's a fundamental innovation 1212 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,319 platform for 1213 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:51,119 all for all our societies and all our 1214 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,560 businesses 1215 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,400 and i think it's great that the rrf 1216 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,680 is identifying 20 for ict investments 1217 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,400 but as i said uh and then of course it's 1218 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,160 up to the member states to continue to 1219 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,359 drive that and 1220 00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,599 make use of it in there in the way that 1221 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:08,480 has been 1222 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,520 been decided but also to understand that 1223 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680 that 5g will also play a role 1224 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,880 for for the green uh transformation 1225 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,960 uh because it's it's not only a creating 1226 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040 efficiencies and productivity increases 1227 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,040 but it also helps us take us to 1228 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,359 to a more sustainable future and 1229 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:29,040 sustainable businesses 1230 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,720 so thank you thank you and i i would 1231 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,560 just have to cut you off from here uh 1232 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,079 and pierce uh in two sentences uh how we 1233 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,400 how should we raise the awareness of 1234 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,280 five t 1235 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,480 two sentences only uh 1236 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,920 there won't be a sort of a public 1237 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,440 publicity campaign because that's not 1238 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,560 what it's about 1239 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,560 we will continue to work with different 1240 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,079 business sectors to help 1241 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,480 them to actually work out the use cases 1242 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,520 and show 1243 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,640 how business can actually find that on 1244 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,160 the technology so 5g 1245 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800 applications in the in the sectors are 1246 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,400 the way to convince them 1247 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,560 and their investors that it's the way 1248 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,079 forward 1249 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,920 thank you and i would like to thank 1250 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,839 everyone especially people here in the 1251 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:11,440 room thank you for joining me this 1252 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,359 uh this morning and thank you for all 1253 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,280 the panelists of course uh 1254 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,960 who shared their experience in this 1255 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,880 field and i do hope that 1256 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200 europe is taking a leading role soon 1257 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,880 when it comes to 5g connections and i 1258 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,800 hope the panel was interesting also 1259 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,560 to all of our listeners that joined us 1260 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,480 virtually we hope to see you next time 1261 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:28,960 here 1262 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,119 in practice lava just for some 1263 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,000 information as well 1264 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,319 that refreshments are downstairs and the 1265 00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:35,200 next session 1266 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,160 will begin here in the same room at 10 1267 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:38,640 past 1268 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,800 11 so i would like to thank you for my 1269 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,640 side and wishing you a very very 1270 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,839 pleasant stay 1271 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:58,980 [Music] 1272 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,920 you